Westminstenders: Screaming at the TV.

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Theresa May has asked for a short extension until 30th June, after Cabinet Brexiteers stopped her asking for a longer extension.

She has not stated the purpose of the extension beyond 'to pass her deal'. Which does not have a majority, because if it did May would be overturn the standing order Bercow invoked to block MVIII.

The EU have not reacted well to the request. Noises from France sound negative.

That doesn't mean we won't get one, but its not looking good. If we do it looks unlikely to go beyond May 23rd and EU elections.

We do not expect a response from the EU until Monday.

May has therefore in practice reinstated the possibility of no deal next Friday. Or at the end of any extension we do get.

She is due to give a speech on a podum at 6pm tonight.

Parliament has called an emergency debate on the extension to try and take control of debate. It, so far, looks like no more that the Brexit Secretary filibusting. Its going round and round in circles going no where.

Meanwhile rumours that Operation Yellowhammer will kick in on Monday are in the air. That's the first steps to martial law to manage no deal. This is very bad.

9 days to go.

Aubrey Allegretti @ breeallegretti
So the PM’s statement has gone down a charm.

One Tory Brexiteer messages:

Peregrina I have every sympathy forCordelias position but I can’t see anything what she says this is going to lead to practical solution

“ I think she should admit she made a mistake in not seeking cross-party support before she began negotiations, seek a long extension and do just that. “

I know that Cordelia is suggesting that the Prime Minister could do the things she suggests above and not resign but I think she would be removed if she did that don’t you think?

we just get IP masking software and pretend we live in
Oh Ok.

Lisa Nandy is being dishonest I’m afraid to say. There is nothing that TM could have said this evening which would have convinced her to support a deal. She’s no interest in one unless she can prevent the government from governing. She wants to remain, she just doesn’t care and when asked to meet with the PM her leader walked out.

Almost half the voters, in fact more than this in many cases do not vote for the party of government that is returned. This happens at virtually every general election. Those of you who are saying “what about my rights” I paraphrase a bit but you get the idea, are apparently still not accepting the result returned nearly 3 years ago. You say you want to respect the referendum but to keep everything the same

Having watched the TV tonight I really think there’s a possibility that if, or when, her WA fails, the eu will offer a longer extension as they really don’t seem to want us to leave.
Problem is May could refuse it. We really need a parliamentary coup and a new leader who knows how to negotiate.
Kenneth Clarke is presumably too old so would Grieve be the best of a poor choice ?
The Irish pm, who I think has been considered quite insignificant in the past now seems like a real statesman. Not like our * pm (fill in the insults yourselves please).
I need alcohol but my new meds forbid it so am clinging to my fantasy so I can sleep tonight (think there’s a bottle of craft beer somewhere but wouldn’t really do the job so won’t bother ransacking the house for it)

Sounds like you don’t think any Prime Minister would have the power to do what you consider to be the right thing.

It isn't about 'power'. it's about honour. It does not take 'power' to come out and tell the truth. It takes bravery and integrity.
The resignation would not be because the people would demand it but because - having allowed such a disastrous and damaging course of action to be followed in the first place - it is simply the honourable thing to do.

I suppose it could be soothing to feel that such a Prime Minister was going to be remembered as a good person but that’s of no practical assistance to the country.

The 'practical assistance to the country' would be the part where their last act was to avert the terrible course of action they had been taken and stop the disaster. That would be their last act as PM.

Their legacy is then their own affair. But in stopping a disaster taking place they have done a far better thing in telling the truth and stepping down than staying in position - allowing catastrophe - and clinging on to so called 'power.'

But clearly, you only see the importance of staying at the top at all costs.
You cannot admit to overseeing a disaster - actively pursuing it - and then stay in position. Not in any walk of life. No one has that 'power'. But as a public servant it is the PMs duty to act in the best of interest of the nation and fall on their sword to avert a crisis.

Just because the vast majority of our current politicians wouldn't know honour if it jumped up and bit them on the nose, doesn't mean we in the electorate shouldn't expect - and even demand - it of them.

She’s gotta go this weekend. She’s endangered the country, she’s endangered her own MPs.

If Parliament weren’t such a pusillanimous lot, it would be a shoo in.

Since Theresa May is telling me what I think, I'm blaming her personally for being compelled to open yet another a bottle of wine (dh and were trying to have an alcohol free week ) and even worse open my last bar of Peppermint Crisp, which my dad brings me over from SA and I had to share it with dh

“gentleman If MPs vote for a PV, the EU would allow a long enough extension, probably to EOY

That's one of the few scenarios where they'd agree to a long extension”

Thank you for replying. Again was that one of the motions that was brought last week? And was firmly rejected? Even by people behind peoples vote campaign?

We really need a parliamentary coup and a new leader who knows how to negotiate.

We need a military coup at this point. May will need to be dragged out by her pointy fucking leopard stilletoes.

So here’s where I am confused.

Will she bring her deal back if she won’t get enough support?

And will the Speaker allow it? If it’s not changed substantially?

But how can Parliament get amendments through if there is no vote?

You mean North Korea style?

Well, I'm sure they won't phrase it that way but ...

Remember when they tried to get Blackberry to shut off it's messaging system during the 2011 riots? it'll be like that. But with google. And the whole country.

“But clearly, you only see the importance of staying at the top at all costs.”

I’m not at the top of anything....

That would be extremely damaging to a lot of businesses. Surely it's not that simple...

I mean : shutting down Google

I know that Cordelia is suggesting that the Prime Minister could do the things she suggests above and not resign but I think she would be removed if she did that don’t you think?

As you are talking about me I think I can reply to this too. She may well be removed as leader as the Conservative party. But that is party politics rather than what is best for the country as a whole. You asked what she should do, rather than what she will do or what I want her to do. If a person isn't prepared to make sacrifices for the good of the country then I would argue they shouldn't be prime minister.

Lisa Nandy is being dishonest I’m afraid to say. There is nothing that TM could have said this evening which would have convinced her to support a deal

Completely disagree with that. Nandy is pragmatic.

I've said before I'd have probably supported the WA, but I think the problem now is that moment has passed. If she has MV3 it'll get less support than last time, due to the approach of May herself.

There's a list of things you should do to endeer yourself to others to persuade them of your position. What May has achieved is to do exactly the opposite and this always produces the effect of getting the backs of people up and makes them react in a very hostile way. May's behaviour is text book on how to alienate people.

I’ll go for a military coup Tatiana or whatever it takes to get her out.

“The 'practical assistance to the country' would be the part where their last act was to avert the terrible course of action they had been taken and stop the disaster. That would be their last act as PM.”

This isn’t a bedtime story where all that matters is whether the leader gets to have hero status. If you think that Theresa May making a big confession and then resigning would be so shocking that it would alter the behaviour of Parliament and I guess I understand your argument But I think it’s a bloody optimistic one. She simply isn’t a significant enough Figure For any gesture of hers to fundamentally alter the trajectory

You’re talking as if there was some kind of button Theresa May could press.

I agree we're going to crash out. TM has shown time and time again she will stick belligerently to a decision, in this case its her 'deal'. I agree it is the best deal she'll get. It is not the best deal the UK could get though.

But being I'm consumed with other life woes at the moment I'll take a leaf from her book and blame TM. Its probably nothing to do with her but then it seems blaming others is de rigeur right now

Littlespaces - I signed the petition this morning without sharing on Facebook. May's speech this evening made me so enraged that I've posted on my own time line strongly encouraging people to sign it, posted it in a reply to my MP's post about her diatribe (and got quite a few "likes") and another friend's post despairing about her. Plus sent the link to my dad via WhatsApp (as he's no longer on FB).

Those of you who are saying “what about my rights” I paraphrase a bit but you get the idea, are apparently still not accepting the result returned nearly 3 years ago. You say you want to respect the referendum but to keep everything the same

No, I want to find a balance. I want the minority to be heard and respected too. I long ago accepted that I will lose some rights. I'm not convinced that HoC voting outright for Remain would be best. But I think that ignoring those who voted for Remain has simply increased the divisions in the country.

We need a military coup at this point. May will need to be dragged out by her pointy fucking leopard stilletoes.

To illustrate my point about May's ability to alienate and Lisa Nandy, I'd like to point out that no one one this thread was talking like this, nor has done to date, until tonight.

I think everyone here is sane and moderate. Not everyone out there is.

And May has upset both Remainers and Brexiteers tonight.

That produces one almighty dangerous situation and has created even more social division.

May is personally responsible for enabling and facilitating increased division in society.

Not uniting it. As she once said she would.

I’m not at the top of anything....

Well, I'm afraid the more disingenuous, innocuous questions you post the more convinced I am that you are TM or someone very close to her but ... assuming you are just remainer who can't see any way out of this except leaving, who is the only person in the country who actually thinks TM is doing a good job and who happened to wander on to this thread for the first time right after TMs speech to tell us how good you think it was - let me explain something simple. You do not have to be at the top of anything to BELIEVE that remaining at the top at all cost is all that matters or to value position - and the 'power' that comes with it - above all else

HTH

“ then I would argue they shouldn't be prime minister.”

But I think the problem Cordelia is that if she was removed as leader of the Conservative party after doing what you wanted She would become irrelevant immediately. It simply wouldn’t have an impact. If something like Jacob Rees-Mogg had a Damascene conversion and the rest of the ERG said that they had now changed their minds I expect that would have the sort of effect that you hope for. I wish I thought that was a realistic prospect