Westminstenders: Screaming at the TV.

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Theresa May has asked for a short extension until 30th June, after Cabinet Brexiteers stopped her asking for a longer extension.

She has not stated the purpose of the extension beyond 'to pass her deal'. Which does not have a majority, because if it did May would be overturn the standing order Bercow invoked to block MVIII.

The EU have not reacted well to the request. Noises from France sound negative.

That doesn't mean we won't get one, but its not looking good. If we do it looks unlikely to go beyond May 23rd and EU elections.

We do not expect a response from the EU until Monday.

May has therefore in practice reinstated the possibility of no deal next Friday. Or at the end of any extension we do get.

She is due to give a speech on a podum at 6pm tonight.

Parliament has called an emergency debate on the extension to try and take control of debate. It, so far, looks like no more that the Brexit Secretary filibusting. Its going round and round in circles going no where.

Meanwhile rumours that Operation Yellowhammer will kick in on Monday are in the air. That's the first steps to martial law to manage no deal. This is very bad.

9 days to go.

No it’s just unpleasant and unnecessarily personal It doesn’t help at all

That would be extremely damaging to a lot of businesses. Surely it's not that simple...

I think around the time they shut down google will be around the time the UN sends in it's peace keeping forces and takes over. I do not forsee it happening within the week (touch wood) I was being slightly facetious.

Lisa Nandy @ Lisanandy
Nigel Farage’s sidekick just came over to abuse and intimidate me and @DrPhillipLeeMP in the #Peston ad break. He got a fairly robust response from both of us. We will not be threatened

I think May’s doing a magnificent double bluff.

She’s making the ERGers think no deal is the automatic option if they vote down her WA. This awful speech was to make sure it gets as few votes as possible just in case it accidentally squeaks over the line.

So next week - there will be a massive turn out for Remain. The WA won’t pass (ERGs fault) and May will revoke Article 50 someone will have to lock Grayling in a cupboard just in case he accidentally burns down parliament whilst trying to make a sandwich

It’s possible I’ve gone mad / had one too many gins.

I think around the time they shut down google will be around the time the UN sends in it's peace keeping forces and takes over.

You don't understand the UN very well.

The only troops coming in this event, wouldn't be of the peace keeping variety. Try 'occupation'. And 'American'.

It's not really personal to describe a persons 2 hour posting history. Nor is it unpleasant to explain why it doesn't matter that you're 'not at the top' in order for you to believe that being - and staying - at the top is all that matters.

but then I'm not Ken Clarke, so by your own admission I'm not allowed to criticise you

What would be REALLY great would be for that petition to get 17.4 million signatures.

Well that’s me told .

Wasn't The UN being called in scenario 4 or 5 in the scenarios that got leaked... I'm not sure how back? The ones that were so awful they couldn't be leaked because people wouldn't believe them.

Before childcare duties kicked in I had written a long reply full of the mistakes that TM had made and possible ways forward.
Then I remembered something, I always thought this was a terrible idea, that is why we are currently overseas.
It isn't up to people who thought this was a disaster from the start to navigate a way through this.
It is up to the people who thought this was a good idea to make it work.
I personally would really appreciate if they could pick up the pace on their work.

Saw this on the 48% FB group and thought that it would resonate on here

Well according to May, you don't want a 2nd referendum and you want to get on with it. When she said 'you', I think she must have meant 'you' as in you, cause she certainly wasn't talking about me.

Unless she was talking to one specific Leaver directly of course! Say, Nigel Farage.

That must be it! Cause I thought she was using 'you' in its singular form and addressing me directly for a moment. I mean, she can't possibly be using 'you' as a plural, cause that would mean she would be addressing half (or more) of the country that do want a 2nd referendum and telling them they don't. Which would be mental. So she must have just been addressing Farage directly. Makes sense!

Or maybe she was talking to herself?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3538780-Westminstenders-The-Last-Rites?watched=1
New thread as I'm off to bed and at 5 to midnight this thread is still getting a lot of posts tonight. I'm expecting quite a few more before I'm online even at this hour.

amoregentlemanlikemanner, I'm not after any kind of conversion by the ERG. They have their opinions and that's fine. Their opinion (ridiculous as I think it is) should be considered alongside those who favour revoke. Both opinions are extreme. Neither will ever be won over to the opposite side. But compromises can be found, especially around the middle ground.

In my analogy earlier I discussed the SRE legislation. It is an absolute triumph of parliamentary democracy. All opinions were heard, most still have concerns. But compromise has been found, and legislation is being passed. I don't think there's are any more personal opinions than faith, sexuality, parental rights, children's rights, nor do I think there are any opinions more deeply held. But compromise has been found. Tonight we should be celebrating how our parliament works. But we aren't. Because of how this particular divisive issue has been handled.

This isn’t a bedtime story where all that matters is whether the leader gets to have hero status. If you think that Theresa May making a big confession and then resigning would be so shocking that it would alter the behaviour of Parliament and I guess I understand your argument But I think it’s a bloody optimistic one. She simply isn’t a significant enough Figure For any gesture of hers to fundamentally alter the trajectory

You’re talking as if there was some kind of button Theresa May could press.

Sorry I just saw this. It's not a bedtime story - but that doesn't mean there isn't right and wrong. As a public servant the Prime Minister must always attempt to do what is right.
Theresa may sends the letter revoking article 50.
Then she addresses the nation.
She addresses parliament and offers to step down.

Having revoked article 50 - yes she will alter the behaviour of parliament - because at the very least they will have to stop and check that she had the authority to do that. Which means going to court. Which takes time. The conservative party will have to get a new leader. Parliament might vote NC in the the government - and depending on if Boris or someone got in enough tories might vote so that it is successful.

Then - even without no confidence vote, if parliament wished to retrigger article 50 they may well have to vote again. It would reset the clock. But how many would vote to retrigger article 50 based on a ref whose shelf life has long since run out and when the prep work still hasn;t been done?

The revocation letter is TM's big red button that she can press to reset the whole thing.
It may turn out that she did not lawfully have the authority to do so ... but TM has shown no respect for the rule of law thus far.

She will not do this - but that is not the same as her not being able to

Please do not mistake what she is willing to do with what she is able to do and thus give her undue credit.

infuriating to be told i don't want a second ref

Just to say petition is over 300,000 before wishing you all a good night.
( just in case ... petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584)

NEW Nigel Farage in tomorrow's @Telegraph: 'If Theresa May buckles and delays Brexit, I will do my best to tear her party limb from limb't.co/rxXDtjh68O via @Telegraph**

The man is starting to show the full range of his true colours and it's neither pretty nor democratic.

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Not bad: 300k in 3 hours

Yep Songs. And when you hit the sack, I do wish you a peaceful rest.

Funnily enough Red, apart from your comment about Nandy being pragmatic I agree with everything you posted. May is certainly not likely to endear herself or her plan to MPs with the stmemt she made. If endearment was the strategy anc that’s what she came up with to say we really are screwed!

I am guessing that triangulation is still the strategy since she’s still got to convince Erg dup and labour r.she can’t be removed so I am surprised she hasn’t yet had it out with the. ERG folks on the basis of “vote for on x day and I’ll be be gone on y day and you can support whoever for leader”. She really needs to face the No Deal crew down IMO.

vote for on x day and I’ll be be gone on y day and you can support whoever for leader

She is never going to say that because she doesn't ever want to give up being PM. She is determined to stay at the top no matter what the cost.

Not so much that she's determined to stay at the top as "deliver brexit"

Listening to her diatribe statement again, I just get even more

She blames parliament for "having done everything possible to avoid making the choice" remind me again who pulled the vote in December? , "motion after motion and amendment after amendment has been tabled, without Parliament ever deciding what it wants" because the fucking PM refused to allow indicative votes

An articulate Grrrrrrrrr from me

I geniuenly don’t think that’s true. Obviously she’s got some desire for power, she coundnt possibly have reached the role of Home Sec anc then PM without it.

Equally she wants her deal done, that was job 1 when she became PM and still is, but once that’s done( if done) , I can’t see her sticking around. she’s already said that she won’t fight another election as leader (whether you believe her on that is up to you and I’d sympathise if you are sceptical,) but that is what she committed to.

I agree with louise on that, but I have been guilty of over estimating TM in the past.