Westminstenders: Screaming at the TV.

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Theresa May has asked for a short extension until 30th June, after Cabinet Brexiteers stopped her asking for a longer extension.

She has not stated the purpose of the extension beyond 'to pass her deal'. Which does not have a majority, because if it did May would be overturn the standing order Bercow invoked to block MVIII.

The EU have not reacted well to the request. Noises from France sound negative.

That doesn't mean we won't get one, but its not looking good. If we do it looks unlikely to go beyond May 23rd and EU elections.

We do not expect a response from the EU until Monday.

May has therefore in practice reinstated the possibility of no deal next Friday. Or at the end of any extension we do get.

She is due to give a speech on a podum at 6pm tonight.

Parliament has called an emergency debate on the extension to try and take control of debate. It, so far, looks like no more that the Brexit Secretary filibusting. Its going round and round in circles going no where.

Meanwhile rumours that Operation Yellowhammer will kick in on Monday are in the air. That's the first steps to martial law to manage no deal. This is very bad.

9 days to go.

“Nobody knows what there is a majority for, they have never done an indicative vote”

But if I understood it right the one of the motions this last week was forParliament to take control of the Brexit process and have a series of indicative votes but that motion was defeated was it not ?

I think there absolutely should be a chance of a prime minister doing that. I don't believe this Prime Minister will do that - but if we ever had one that actually cared about duty and public service and not their own power then it would be the most natural thing in the world to do, after following a course that had been proven to be disastrous. I imagine any such PM would immediately have to resign but - to paraphrase Dumbledore - in office or out they would be remembered as one of the greatest ministers we ever had.

Any one with an eye to their legacy should at least give it a thought.

Falling on your sword was considered an honourable thing to do back in Ancient Rome.

If you remove rhetoric, feelings and examine both the known facts and the known likely outcomes from both the WA and no deal, then revoke is miles and miles and fucking miles better. It doesn't take a genius to work this out but it needs leadership to both do it and explain why it needs to be done, for the whole country

What the fuck happens now ...

red That could probably be your thread title for the next 9 days !

Of course you’re free to criticise the Prime Minister Prime Minister just as I’m free to say that I think she’s a decent person doing the best she can and that I can’t think of anyone who would’ve done a better job

Yep. Not many people would have driven us all at that cliff with such determination, had the will to keep pushing harder on the accelerator as she did so AND have the chutzpah to blame other people.

Indicative votes was withdrawn iirc as Govt promised they would happen if Deal was not voted through

“So if a PV is needed then so be it.”

But that would have to be a People’s vote to re-enter the European Union as we’re going to leave at the end of this month

Amore amendments get defeated because they are attached to motions. Hence the need for separate, individual indicative votes.

Jack Blanchard @jack_blanchard
Potential Lab 'switcher' Lisa Nandy tells @Peston May has blown it. "There's absolutely no chance she is going to win over MPs in sufficient numbers after that statement. It was an attack on liberal democracy itself... I will not support a gov that takes such a reckless approach"
So, so much this.
I just keep thinking about Julius Caesar. "Me, me, me ( if only there were no parliament things would be fine.)"

We have no left yet and we still have 9 days! If Parliament could agree then a PV could happen before we leave. (With a long extension)

I think we'll crash out next Friday...3 months of max carnage, loads of companies departing (permanently) and it will be so bad the UK will literally beg to come back as civic uproar (military intervention level). EU will say no!!!! 3 months more carnage. Then EU will then say yes...no opt outs except currency.

You heard it here first!

I'm as hardline a remainer as I know. I really was devastated by the result and it took me days to even really believe it. Then I felt better, really believing that a way to leave could be found which wouldn't be too damaging and would respect the fact that the referendum was close. My 'remain' opinion was a minority one, but only just. I had faith in our democracy to represent the beliefs and wishes of the minority.

But my opinions and wishes have been roundly ignored by almost all politicians in the UK for three years. By exiting the EU I will lose rights I currently have through no fault of my own. That is appalling. When I question why, I'm led to think that it's simply because I'm not violent enough. Politicians have warned of civil unrest if 17 million voters are ignored, but none if 16 million are. What is so different about the 'losers' that makes us not even a bit scary to politicians?

If anyone can give me any other circumstance it would be acceptable to ignore the rights almost half of voters then I might feel better. But I can't think of any.

So which half do you think she should listen to?

Both, and I think that CordeliaEarhart in a post just after mine at 22:37:34 explained perfectly how it can be done. I think you could also add to this example that of how the GFA was negotiated - both sides got together and started to look for things they could agree on.

gentleman If MPs vote for a PV, the EU would allow a long enough extension, probably to EOY

That's one of the few scenarios where they'd agree to a long extension

Will these threads still be allowed when martial law begins?

TM is listening first and foremost to her bank account and personal xenophobia, methinks

“. I imagine any such PM would immediately have to resign but - to paraphrase Dumbledore - in office or out they would be remembered as one of the greatest ministers we ever had. “

Sounds like you don’t think any Prime Minister would have the power to do what you consider to be the right thing. I suppose it could be soothing to feel that such a Prime Minister was going to be remembered as a good person but that’s of no practical assistance to the country.

So when she says “I’m on your side”, who's she talking to ?
Sounds to me like she is only talking to the Leavers instead of trying to unite the people in general .

The thing with May is her very narrow world view. She doesn't 'do' London, she has no friends and the only people she really engages with are people like her. From small town and rural communities in the South East.

She has no awareness of the world outside that. She does not respect or get people who move around and she condemns them as 'citizens of nowhere'. She has no desire nor ability to break out of her bubble

This comment is therefore spot on. If you are not a leave leaning Conservative from her world then she is absolutely not talking to you.

Her view of the national interest is protecting the people. But she only knows a narrow small slice of the population. She is only speaking to them.

She is utterly lacking in self awareness. Anyone who questions her, is ultimately challenging her worldview and she shuts down blaming them for not fighting for 'the people' her people.

We are so utterly fucked.

Martial law starts next week. I can't see how it won't tonight. May has cut herself off from all other avenues.

Will these threads still be allowed when martial law begins?

I don't think the internet will be allowed once martial law begins.

“Amore amendments get defeated because they are attached to motions. Hence the need for separate, individual indicative votes.”

Oh I see thank you

Petition at 260k now, amazing!

We are leaving next Friday. Mark my words.

TM wants no deal. This is no accident despite the play.

How do we get back in the EU?

We don't. Shore up and bed down, it's going to be a bumpy ride down.

A few years or maybe more the EU will possibly forgive but they will never forget. You can guarantee we will be in the euro and no more special snack time for the UK.

Cheers maybot. Even my 8 year old hates you.

On a side note- has anyone seen her pension fund lately? Any strange russian payments?

"Will these threads still be allowed when martial law begins?"

Chill, people. I've lived under a dictatorship before ... we just get IP masking software and pretend we live in

Justine might need to relocate the MN servers to Dublin though...

Kevin Maguire
@Kevin_Maguire
Women MPs abused by Brexit mobs are accusing May of jeopardising their safety by recklessly blaming them for her Brexit crisis, inciting the yobs. “Brexit has broken me. I am done,” one MP told me

I don't think the internet will be allowed once martial law begins

You mean North Korea style?