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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem
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TheMostBoringPersonEver · 20/03/2019 15:03

Watching HoC - they are thinking of sitting on Saturday (nice to see one person said can we confirm it and put plan in place for the staff who support them backed up by the Speaker)

Someone also just asked about the clashing meetings!

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 15:03

If she resigns, any of her likely replacements would be happy with No Deal,
so they might try the WA again, thn just shrug

EweSurname · 20/03/2019 15:04

Kieran Reape 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
‏*@KieranReape*
SNP Westminster Leader, @IanBlackfordMP has just raised a point of order to John Bercow calling for the House of Commons to sit this Saturday given we are 9 days away from potentially falling off the cliff into No Deal.

Jack Maidment
‏*@jrmaidment*
John Bercow says the House of Commons sitting on Saturday would be "perfectly possible" but MPs would have to vote for it after Ian Blackford says it should.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 15:06

Juncker told May - before her letter - the 2 alternative extension dates he thought he could persuade E27 leaders to accept.

She needs to bloody listen
The EU aren't refusing all extensions, just hers (probably)

Possible are 23 May or a long extension with EP elections

PestyMachtubernahme · 20/03/2019 15:07

FFS she is not going to resign. Just spout a load of drivel in an attempt to justify herself. And blame others, of course.

TheElementsSong · 20/03/2019 15:07

She's not going to resign. It'd be against the Third Law of Maybotics.

PestyMachtubernahme · 20/03/2019 15:08

Grin Elements

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 15:09

If she did resign I think I would have to dance down the street

Hold tight to nurse for fear of finding something worse ....

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 20/03/2019 15:09

SO24 is interesting to watch. Debate will be held today on the purpose of the extension. I wonder if the house will fill up again?

gutrotweins · 20/03/2019 15:09

Quick facts from the European Environment Agency
Yellowhammer:
Threat status Europe Least Concern (IUCN)
EU Population status Declining
Protected by EU Birds Directive and 1 other international agreement

Oh dear. Not much hope for that then.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 15:10

😂 Elements

But she keeps breaking Asmov's 1st law: do not harm any human being

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 15:10

Watching HoC - they are thinking of sitting on Saturday

There's one excuse to prevent the march.

RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 15:10

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Least surprising decision of the day: John Bercow grants an emergency SO24 debate on A50 extension, and it will begin immediately.

(After a 10 min rule Bill by the look of it)

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BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 15:11

I checked Wiki on Yellowhammer (disambiguation)

"Yellowhammer may also refer to:
* A regional name for the yellow shafted subspecies*
(Colaptes auratus auratus) of the northern flicker, a North American woodpecker"

GeistohneGrenzen · 20/03/2019 15:11

How apt if she resigns tonight. It's when our road puts the bins out...

tobee · 20/03/2019 15:12

I know, too true DG but I might not be able to help myself. I can always repent at leisure.

Tanith · 20/03/2019 15:12

“I just can't believe she will resign tonight. Even if I see it live.”

The trouble is, she’s lied so many times, I’m not sure I’d believe her if she did resign!

woodpigeons · 20/03/2019 15:12

I am one of those boomers but have never voted Tory in my life.
Even if I thought leave would be an advantage for me, which I most definitely didn’t, I would never have voted for anything which would make my children’s and grandchildren’s lives potentially extremely difficult.
I’ll be OK. My mortgage is paid off and I have a small pension which is more than I can say for my children.
Just off to cheer myself up by breaking into my stash to dye my hair a most fetching shade of postmenopausal red.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 15:13

May will explain she is asking for an extension because she needs more time to figure out why she wants an extension 🤔

NoWordForFluffy · 20/03/2019 15:14

At least they're debating it today, for up to 3 hours (therefore clashing with the two other meetings!).

And yes, I'd expect the house to fill up again pretty sharply.

usuallydormant · 20/03/2019 15:14

Interesting interview with Coveney, who has the view that there will be a "collective approach and message" coming from all EU leaders through Tusk regarding an extension, and there won't be any one or two countries isolated from the pack.

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coveney-no-renegotiation-of-brexit-agreement-1.3832399

tobee · 20/03/2019 15:16

I have vivid memories of when Thatcher resigned. Been looking foreword to it for so long. It was such a hollow victory.

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 15:16

I know, too true DG but I might not be able to help myself. I can always repent at leisure.

I can admit that when Cameron bottled it, and slunk off like the worthless piece of shit he is (I consider it a duty to ensure he never get's to GoogleWash himself while I draw breath Grin) I actually wanted Theresa May to become Tory leader. Fool me once ....

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 15:16

WTF !
The EU warned repeatedly about the homework submission deadline

Nick Gutteridge@nickgutteridge

Senior EU diplomat:

May's letter has arrived 'too late' for EU leaders to make a decision on an Article 50 extension at tomorrow's summit

PestyMachtubernahme · 20/03/2019 15:18

It is good if they sit Saturday, and force TM to be there. Otherwise, she will wander through some wheat fields and ignore the whole march.

Will there be enough people to fully surround the building (well three sides)

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