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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem
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DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 14:46

BBC are possibly waiting until the official EU Council communique

They need to send Humphries over, with his snarling "questioning". That's learn 'em ...

1tisILeClerc · 20/03/2019 14:46

{If this is anything close to Angela Merkel’s view, May could be facing a very hostile audience in Brussels tomorrow afternoon.}

Oh dear, what a shame, never mind'!
'Couldn't have happened to a nicer person'.

GroovieGazelloo · 20/03/2019 14:47

'si elle arrive en disant 'je vais organiser des élections ou un nouveau référendum', je ne vois pas comment on pourrait dire non à un délai", estime l'Élysée qui plaidera alors dans ce cas "pour un délai le plus court possible".

if she arrives saying 'I will organise elections or a new referendum', I don't see how we could say no to a deadline, "said the Elysee who, in this case will then plead for " for the shortest possible delay ".

Macron / Élysée

tobee · 20/03/2019 14:47

Peter Bone is all lovely & gorgeous, isn't he?

Grin
Kaboodler · 20/03/2019 14:51

Joe Watts
@JoeWatts_
There are rumours the PM will give a speech outside Number 10 tonight. Unconfirmed.

Sick of the sight of that woman at her podium!

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:52

Groovie PV cannot be done by 30 June, legally impossible.
A PV would mean a long extension AND the UK holding EP elections

The EU would presumably require the HoC to pass the EP legislation BEFORE granting the request,
considering how she reneges / fails on every promise to them and to the HoC

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:53

Îf she gives a speech, look at the logo to see if it is a PM speech,
or a party matter (= resign)

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 20/03/2019 14:54

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-theresa-may-speech-delay-deal-latest-a8830991.html
It is along the strap on the independent

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 14:54

There are rumours the PM will give a speech outside Number 10 tonight. Unconfirmed. ...Sick of the sight of that woman at her podium

Who's on podiumwatch ? What's the convention ... royal crest is a government statement, none is a personal one ?

1tisILeClerc · 20/03/2019 14:57

{Who's on podiumwatch ? What's the convention}
I preferred the one with Larry at the podium (which might have had a bit of photoshop work done).

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:57

Still not official
Brussels = the EU Commission, who have wargamed all extension scenarios and would be against any short extension past 23 May

but it is the E27 heads of govt who actually decide, in their summit Thurs-Fri

However, Macron seems to have given a clear NON and it only takes one veto
(unless he changes his mind / is offered a sweetener)

gutrotweins · 20/03/2019 14:57

I'm getting a deja vu of December.
April and May will be full of the same old shit - ongoing 'meaningful votes' to test the wavering integrity (forgive the oxymoron Grin) of the great and powerfully cleverly.
Tossers.

(Why hasn't Erskine May been mentioned today? How can she hold a MV3 next week? I'm lost. Confused)

tobee · 20/03/2019 14:58

I just can't believe she will resign tonight. Even if I see it live.

1tisILeClerc · 20/03/2019 14:59

I think the lion's mane has fallen out and all you can see of the unicorn are it's hooves.

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 14:59

The EU would presumably require the HoC to pass the EP legislation BEFORE granting the request,

Moreover in a form that can't be rescinded the second an extension is granted. And if that can't be done.... well it's not the EUs fault.

Random18 · 20/03/2019 14:59

If she were to resign - what would happen?

It doesn’t solve the immediate problem.

And how long would it take for the replacement?

Which could most likely only be a Hard a Brexiteer considering how far right the story party now are

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 15:00

Would the EU trust May with this extension, knowing that if she lets them down,
14 EU countries would lose some MEPs they had just elected and / or the EP decisions would be legally challenged if the EU does not have MEPs ?

Tough question, that would take them all of 2 seconds to reply "Fuck OFF"

TokyoSushi · 20/03/2019 15:00

👀👀 Podium watch for tonight

Kaboodler · 20/03/2019 15:01

If she were to resign does that make a longer extension more likely? The country being in a (greater) state of flux.

GroovieGazelloo · 20/03/2019 15:01

BCF - MAYbe, MAYbe she'll "offer a sweetener", helped along with Saturday's marchers. Smile

tobee · 20/03/2019 15:01

What time do you reckon "tonight" means? I fancy tuning in for the disappointment.

Littlespaces · 20/03/2019 15:01

If she resigned, a hard Brexiteer would take over and presumably some Tories would resign or leave, affecting their numbers to get a vote through Parliament.

RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 15:02

Podium could be announcement of A50 extension she's requested and what she will discuss at the EU meeting.

It could be announcement of operation Yellowhammer going into effect.

Don't expect a resignation. Yet.

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jasjas1973 · 20/03/2019 15:02

IF the EU reject any form of extension & there cannot be a MV3 (unless the mood of the HoC indicates it will pass)

What will May do? split her party and revoke or split her party and no-deal?

tobee · 20/03/2019 15:02

If she did resign I think I would have to dance down the street 💃🏾