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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

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borntobequiet · 20/03/2019 16:37

Dear God Justine Greening is the most awful speaker ever.

borntobequiet · 20/03/2019 16:39

Though she has just made a good point about the party politicking of the DexEU Sec. I just caught it before dozing off.

PestyMachtubernahme · 20/03/2019 16:48

Philip Ryan @Philip_Ryan

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar announces that Prime Minister Theresa May will address the British public tonight. I’m sure she’ll be delighted he did that.

My head will implode soon.

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 16:57

Prime Minister Theresa May will address the British public tonight

I can't see that for a second.

"address" that is.

Lecture, harangue, patronise, dictate, demand, belittle, befuddle, betray, condescend, corral; yes.

"address" ? No.

Anyone else want to fill the thread up with synonyms for Mays "style" of government ?

DarlingNikita · 20/03/2019 16:57

I think Justine Greening is a very good speaker.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 20/03/2019 17:02

Yes, but all those people going on the PV march may actually get out and vote for pro-EU parties in the EP elections. When unexpected results happen it is because those we don't expect to vote actually do. EP elections give a skewed result compared to popular opinion in the UK because those who hate the EU are more inclined to vote than the average person. That may well not be the case if we have a vote this time around

Well I'd certainly vote for a pro-EU party. Oh well lets see what transpires.

SwedishEdith · 20/03/2019 17:45

I thought Justine Greening was good. It was honest.

Peregrina · 20/03/2019 17:48

I was at work when Thatcher resigned: everyone cheered there too. Isn't it funny how she lasted 11 years when no one liked her?

prettybird · 20/03/2019 18:02

Hector

prettybird · 20/03/2019 18:03

Whine

prettybird · 20/03/2019 18:03

Throw toys out of pram

sweeter · 20/03/2019 18:03

Is may going to resign at 8 pm?

prettybird · 20/03/2019 18:04

Whinge

prettybird · 20/03/2019 18:04

Tantrum

The80sweregreat · 20/03/2019 18:04

Peregrine.
people began to dislike Mrs T towards the end of her time in office , but I know lots of people who adored her ! Honestly , they really admired and trusted her , they liked the fact she negotiated a refund from the EU , her ' not for turning' stubbornness, her ' war' on the unions and the miners. the whole package.
It's hard to believe now, but she was worshipped by many voters.
The only good thing I would say is she had a knack of ' tapping in' to how the Brits thought and was able to exploit this. Letting people become homeowners by selling off council properties was a stroke of genius.
It's only now we can see how shortsighted this was, but it bought votes in areas that were never 'conservative' in the real sense.
I have never voted Tory because of her but at least she was true blue and not a red Tory as Tony Blair became! He admired her ; enough said.

prettybird · 20/03/2019 18:05

Wail

prettybird · 20/03/2019 18:05

Make excuses

1tisILeClerc · 20/03/2019 18:09

Although not a Mrs T fan she, like many had some good points. Whether she ran out of good (for the majority) ideas or was stopped from carrying out I have no idea.
Blair had some half decent ideas but then dropped one by sucking up to Bush over Iraq.

Random18 · 20/03/2019 18:20

@The80s she definitely wasn’t adored where I’m from.

BUT this is something else. Thatcher was a strong character and whilst I disagree with many of the paths she chose I do not believe we would have been in this situation if she had been PM.

TM is the worst PM we have ever had by a country mile.

borntobequiet · 20/03/2019 18:25

What Justine Greening says is good. But her voice is almost impossible to listen to - she pauses in all the wrong places - emphasises the wrong words or doesn’t emphasise the ones she should. I was a bit unfair but her speaking puts my teeth on edge.

Tonsilss · 20/03/2019 18:27

I wrote to DD's boarding school 2 months before Brexit date, asking whether they had a contingency plan. I was told that it was too early to make a plan. I wrote to them again 2 weeks before Brexit date. I was told that they would be monitoring the rounds of parliamentary votes over the coming weeks.
Still no suggestion of any plan.
So that's helpful.

Peregrina · 20/03/2019 18:33

I should have added a Grin to my last post about Thatcher.

Peregrina · 20/03/2019 18:34

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