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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem
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tobee · 20/03/2019 16:03

Everything seems to be scheduled for 6 o clock Hmm

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 16:03

Yorkshire is bigger than Scotland.

And London bigger than both combined. The UK is unique - certainly in Europe - in having a single city with nigh on 20% of the nations population. And it's the Capital to boot.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 16:04

Federal countries - like Germany or the US - don't have a pay per vote
All their states decide

borntobequiet · 20/03/2019 16:04

Awful petty political point scoring going on this afternoon. Mostly from Brexit Sec.

FishesaPlenty · 20/03/2019 16:05

Regarding the alleged lorry go-slows.

This all seems to be the work of the 'lovely' Ian Charlesworth, formerly the cunt behind the fuel protests and now the BREXIT PROTEST & DIRECT ACTION GROUP UK www.facebook.com/groups/291523940881959/

Ian Charlesworth: www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-brexit-demo-leader-used-15996012

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 16:05

It's one of our biggest problems:

London is like a city state, a country on its own.
Then there is rEngland, not just rUK

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 20/03/2019 16:05

sparklysneakers sorry this is off topic and pages after your comment as I’ve been desperately catching up .... am I right in thinking you have gastritis ?
I managed to come off PPIs after about 5 years of relying conpletely on them by using deglycerated licorice tablets (from Amazon). I know it sounds a bit strange and alternative but it worked.

Only problem is my gastritis has returned over the last week - can’t think why Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 16:07

Charlesworth sounds even worse than expected:

The man at the centre of a Brexit roadblock protest has defended Facebook posts he made saying all immigrants should be "rounded up and sent back to where they came from".

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 16:07

^DG reportedly 6 large nukes would wipe out most of the UK population
I'm damn sure Russia has a lot more than 6^

As someone who was an avid prepper in the early 80s (Protect and Survive) and who had a nuclear survival kit in my schoolbag (as did a couple of nerdy friends) and who was in awe of the SS20, I'm familiar with the basics.

I wanted to build a geiger counter for my Electronics A/O level, but was persuaded towards a reverb unit instead ...

citroenpresse · 20/03/2019 16:08

Is she going to resign tonight knowing that journalists are already on their way to the summit?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 16:10

Alberto Nardelli@AlbertoNardelli

View in capitals hardening.

A senior EU27 government official previously open to June extension, now saying 23 May

tobee · 20/03/2019 16:10

Tusk ups the stakes

havingtochangeusernameagain · 20/03/2019 16:14

Not sure I'd agree to anything that involved EP elections if I were Tusk et al. They are probably all hoping never to set eyes on Nigel Farage again. If we have elections he'll be back there, making trouble and taking the money from the organisations he professes to hate so much.

hereweareyes · 20/03/2019 16:14

Tusk ups the stakes

I can only laugh after that. Thank fuck I'm not a politician.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 16:15

Tusk: I believe that a short extension will be possible - but conditional on a positive vote on the Brexit deal in parliament.

Is he saying it is conditional on HoC voting for the WA ? Hmm
i.e. the EU are just offering a "technical" extension, for the HoC to pass the WAIB afterwards ?

Tanith · 20/03/2019 16:15

If I were the EU, I’d insist that the UK should take part in the EP elections.

Any MEP we elect becomes obsolete as soon as we leave, and the Far Right activists are diluted by having to campaign here as well as on the continent.
Plus, TM definitely doesn’t want us to have our say and that’s as good a reason as any to make sure we do!

TiddleTaddleTat · 20/03/2019 16:17

Any private eye fans on here? The latest one is a good issue - lots of material to work with!

RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 16:17

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3538394-Westminstenders-Screaming-at-the-TV?watched=1

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BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 16:18

Nick Gutteridge@nick_gutteridge

A second senior EU diplomat says no Member States have indicated in internal EU discussions that they are going to veto an extension.

< well, if they are demanding the WA be passed first, they can agree to an extension without much worry >

PestyMachtubernahme · 20/03/2019 16:19

the EU are just offering a "technical" extension, for the HoC to pass the WAIB afterwards ?

This has been their consistent offer for the last few months. They are quite boring really and play by the rule book. Just what happens when you have to keep 27 sovereign countries happy.

CordeliaEarhart · 20/03/2019 16:19

If we have elections he'll be back there, making trouble and taking the money from the organisations he professes to hate so much.

Yes, but all those people going on the PV march may actually get out and vote for pro-EU parties in the EP elections. When unexpected results happen it is because those we don't expect to vote actually do. EP elections give a skewed result compared to popular opinion in the UK because those who hate the EU are more inclined to vote than the average person. That may well not be the case if we have a vote this time around.

GeistohneGrenzen · 20/03/2019 16:24

Tusk has got a lovely smile... not like some[one] I could mention...

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 16:28

Ah, Tusk said there might be an extraordinary summit at end of next week if the deal fails to pass

So then the choice would be long extension or No Deal

borntobequiet · 20/03/2019 16:34

Saving my PE for the train on the way to the march!

MockerstheFeManist · 20/03/2019 16:34

Just me who gets the Fleetwood Macs whenever there's mention of Tusk?