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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

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BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:07

The EU Commission's recommendation for either an extension to 22/23 May or a much longer extension
was leaked a few days ago (& posted here)

It is not binding, because it is the E27 leaders who decide

However, it gives cover for any leader - whether Macron or from a smaller country - who wishes to veto the 30 June date.
Sounds like he will
Probably the EU will offer their dates instead

I'm surprised after the - probably deliberate - leak why May didn't ask through EU back channels if there was some "give" in the May date.

A refusal would be embarassing and show - yet again - that she only considers what is best for her party,
not whether the EU will accept a proposal

usuallydormant · 20/03/2019 14:09

I read yesterday (here? twitter?) that Macron was happy to be the fall guy as they reckon the French will be blamed regardless. They only need one veto - better the French than the Italians/Hungarians (Farage will take credit) or the Irish (we are going to also be blamed anyway and can't veto for a hard border).

Macron is totally committed to the EU and doesn't want UK Brexiters polluting the atmosphere of the EU elections which are going to be stressful enough as it is. I'm sure it didn't help that May was given the choice of 23 May or the end of the year and decided to demand something completely different. Can't see it will harm him domestically.

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 14:09

Leaves are too quiet at the moment. I was hoping to see some frothing about "how dare the EU not do what we want" sort of nonsense.

Or is Daytime TV particularly good on Wednesdays ?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:10

WHY do moderates keep believing May ? Confused
Reminder:

Faisal Islam@faisalislam

last week Lidington promised that indicative votes would occurs in the first two weeks of April if MV not approved by today ...

This was the basis upon which Benn-Letwin-Cooper-Boles was defeated by 2 votes last Thursday...

today PM suggested that indicative votes not needed now

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 20/03/2019 14:11

@PestyMachtubernahme yes that works, thank you.

I wonder if Kwasi, who is speaking now, has got a whatsapp message yet....

ElenadeClermont · 20/03/2019 14:15

Hungarians will not veto. It is not worth it. They are still clinging with their fingertips to the EPP faction.

Who knows Italian politics well?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:16

She just ignores all advice ...

Daniel Ferrie@DanielFerrie

@JunckerEU formally warned @theresamay against including a date for the extension that is after EP elections.

Withdrawal has to be b/f 23 May, otherwise we face institutional difficulties & legal uncertainty. Elections have to be held if extension after 23 May.”
.....---
Mina Andreeva@ Mina.Andreeva

@JunckerEU^ took a phone call from @theresamay^
She informed him on the latest state of play around #Article50 #Brexit process and consulted him about the best way how to approach the #EUCO.

Discussions are continuing.

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 14:16

Who knows Italian politics well?

You think we've got problems ....

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:19

If the EU Commission re rcommending a short extension can only be until 22/23 May,
then no member is going to get aggro for vetoing

So we might even see several countries doing so.

The EU are likely to counter -offer with 23 May

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:19

IF noone vetos that too

SparklySneakers · 20/03/2019 14:20

Has there been an official reply to her letter yet or do we have to wait until all 27 have had a say? Nothing on bbc news so seems like "Eu have said no" is jumping the gun when the summit hasn't happened yet.

LonelyTiredandLow · 20/03/2019 14:24

I was thinking the same Sparkly 0 UK news very quiet on it. Maybe Macron is floating the idea to see if his public give approval?

PestyMachtubernahme · 20/03/2019 14:24

The EU is quite together enough to know exactly what it is going say and do in scenarios a, b, c and d

Macron vetoing 30th June is a sensible reason to move to plan B. Just because they outlined plan b first is no reason to doubt them.

usuallydormant · 20/03/2019 14:24

For the moment, it seems to be just Le Point running the story....

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:25

Bruno Waterfield @BrunoBrussels

European Commission note on Brexit extension and EU elections

Here's an important point - illustrating some of the EU's problem with current government

"A change of policy in the UK – a phenomenon with which we have become familiar over the past months" < 😩😩 >

If UK dithers beyond 11 April or changes mind then big problems for 14 EU countries

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1tisILeClerc · 20/03/2019 14:26

I think it could play quite well for Mr Macron, who needs a bit of a boost.
There is also the issue that much of the 'cheap' food that the UK wants comes either from or through France, so even if the official line is 'no holdups' what happens on the ground may be different. Being forced to spend loads for extra infrastructure to facilitate the UK, probably more than most other countries as the major routes are through France.

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 14:26

Has there been an official reply to her letter yet or do we have to wait until all 27 have had a say?

They could take until 28th to reply. As the poster goes, failure to plan on your part does not constitute a crisis on mine.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:26

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DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 14:27

Nothing on bbc news

Nor The Beano either. They're equally insightful.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:29

Well, that's at least 14 countries who'd likely veto 30 June

Imaging having to give back MEP seats, send home MEPs your voters had just elected a few weeks ago Confused

All because of 1 idiot country which can't make up its fucking mind

BollocksToBrexit · 20/03/2019 14:29

FFS! I only went to the shop for cake bread and milk and now there's eleventy million posts to plough through. Anybody'd think there was a crisis going on.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 14:31

Probably have to wait at least until EU Council meeting finishes on Friday and the Minutes are issued

SparklySneakers · 20/03/2019 14:31

I'm sticking with my plan of waiting until there's something official before I get animated about anything. My digestive system can't take the stress of he said she said.

1tisILeClerc · 20/03/2019 14:32

{Nothing on bbc news}

The BBC seem consistently 'slow' at getting news out. SKY, despite it's proprietor is quicker off the mark and usually more detailed.

SparklySneakers · 20/03/2019 14:32

Just looked at sky and nothing there either

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