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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

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LonelyTiredandLow · 20/03/2019 13:44

I didn't think EU would all agree. We've annoyed far too many countries. Our media hasn't helped or Fox and Co's "negotiations" Hmm

TatianaLarina · 20/03/2019 13:45

Macron is refusing to postpone. Will oppose.

tobee · 20/03/2019 13:45

Yes DGRosetti. And sometimes the call doesn't come. It's distressing enough when it's only the movies.Sad

RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 13:46

Peter Foster @pmdfoster
Macron to say 'non' to #Brexit extension? Or just 'non' unless May has passed Withdrawal Deal. More bellicose noises from Paris.

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RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 13:47

Ben Wright @ bbcbenwright
While ERG hostility the deal seems to be hardening (David Jones and Mark Francois told #wato it will not pass) one minister close to May told me this morning eurosceptic rebels should now be threatened with expulsion from party unless they back the deal

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DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 13:47

Theresa May requests a postponement of the Brexit date to June 30th. The French president will oppose it, effectively driving the European Council

Non ! Smile

Any French readers tell me how Macron channelling de Gaulle will go down in France ?

tobee · 20/03/2019 13:50

But if they carry out the threat of exclusion from the party that doesn't help May with the numbers

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 13:51

one minister close to May told me this morning eurosceptic rebels should now be threatened with expulsion from party unless they back the deal

How does this (unnamed Hmm) Minister get to be a Minister and not get it ????? You can't save the Tory party by expelling people. You can only save it by trashing the country until it hasn't got the will to resist.

LonelyTiredandLow · 20/03/2019 13:51

one minister close to May told me this morning eurosceptic rebels should now be threatened with expulsion from party unless they back the deal
OMG - TM has grown balls! Truly amazing!

LonelyTiredandLow · 20/03/2019 13:52

Or rather her ovaries have kicked in Wink

LittleSF · 20/03/2019 13:53

tobee, it will only help if Labour abstain which Corbyn may agree to so as to avoid crashing out

LonelyTiredandLow · 20/03/2019 13:53

X-post DG - I agree it won't change No Deal happening but i'd love to see the ERG turfed out on their ear.

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 13:54

one minister close to May told me this morning eurosceptic rebels should now be threatened with expulsion from party unless they back the deal

OMG - TM has grown balls! Truly amazing

Er, no. She is being told this, not saying it.

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 13:54

Also, is it in the PMs power ? Or the Party Leaders power ? Isn't this what chairman and committees are for ?

1tisILeClerc · 20/03/2019 13:55

{Macron is refusing to postpone. Will oppose.}

Would the UK like some proper 'Gilets Jaune'. I am sure those in Paris would enjoy an 'awayday' in London to show you how it's done.

Littlespaces · 20/03/2019 13:55

Cheered me up Lurpak. If they knock on my door it will be the same.

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 20/03/2019 13:56

They keep going on about how such and such will happen if they dont back the deal.

Thing is, they cant even put the deal to vote unless it has significant changes - such as an extension.

And the extension has been refused.

So no more votes on the deal!

LonelyTiredandLow · 20/03/2019 13:56

Ah I read it as he was hinting she had suggested it. Re-read it and understand.

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 13:56

I am sure those in Paris would enjoy an 'awayday' in London to show you how it's done.

Not sure the average Brit needs a lesson in being obstructive - even from the World Champions ....

tobee · 20/03/2019 13:57

Yes I see what you mean LittleSF

DGRossetti · 20/03/2019 13:57

Speaking of which, what's the form for Saturdays march being disrupted by some sort of "terror alert" ? Meaning no need for TV coverage of the one person + dog that can actually make it ?

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 20/03/2019 13:59

Interesting, just went back to that link @redtoothbrush and got this:

La page que vous recherchez n'existe pas !

The page you are looking for does not exist!

tobee · 20/03/2019 14:01

Keep flicking to both news channels and thinking "stop talking about other stuff! This is the only thing that matters right now. Fuck off with your deep ocean live!"

1tisILeClerc · 20/03/2019 14:03

{LurpakIsTheOnlyButter}
How much were they asking for the Conservative Party. Do you get a discount for buying the whole lot?

{Not sure the average Brit needs a lesson in being obstructive - even from the World Champions}
Nah, you need a European, particularly French way to protest.
Marching politely just isn't cutting it so far.

PestyMachtubernahme · 20/03/2019 14:06

www.lepoint.fr/politique/emmanuel-berretta/emmanuel-macron-refuse-de-reporter-la-date-du-brexit-20-03-2019-2302680_1897.php#xtor=CS2-239

Does this one to french news exist?
Also failed on Reds