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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

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67chevvyimpala · 20/03/2019 07:18

sos feeling very despondent here too.

My mum is currently visiting her sick family in Ireland as the uncertainty was worrying her.

Dhs workplace seem to think it's fine to ask him to go to France on 28th March....what do they know that we don't????

I'm off to visit my niece today who us recovering from an op. That'll cheer me up.

67chevvyimpala · 20/03/2019 07:19

sparkly heard from whom?

Loletta · 20/03/2019 07:19

Adam Fleming:
EU27 will generally be fine with this because it was lowest common denominator but...
⚠️might not agree until after Parliamentary vote next week
🗓️will be worried the UK will come back for another extension
💥wonder if it's cliff edge postponed

HazardGhost · 20/03/2019 07:20

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-delay-theresa-may-eu-article-50-a8830936.html

Rumour has it TM's short delay is 9-12months....

sos lots of love to you. If it's any consolation I haven't stockpiled much food at all. We've ate into it as well! I'm no where near as sorted as I would like, was gonna bulk buy dog food but alas if shit really hits the fan ddog can share my food...but hopefully not half a pound of butter Wink The EU experts say they'll be food, limited choice, but food all the same. Try not to worry because you really have enough on your plate. We can only ever do our best and doing our best is good enough. Xxx

Random18 · 20/03/2019 07:22

I was never keen on a long extension as I am fed up with uncertainty.

I would rather her deal is passed than a long extension I think.

But I really don’t want her deal passed especially because of her lack of respect for the country and democracy.

Guess chances of no deal increases but also revoke?

Or is this all just a game (with deadly stakes) to keep her cabinet together for longer and get her deal through?

lonelyplanetmum · 20/03/2019 07:27

DD ( now 11) just padded in. She predicts there will be:
~ several ( perhaps three) short extensions, followed by
~a longer extension
~then a revoke of Article 50 then
~a long planning stage and finally
~a re-triggering of Article 50.

Hmmmm she hadn't factored in that the EU don't want lots of extending. Perhaps we talk about it too much ..but she certainly has her own ideas as that's not what I think.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/03/2019 07:30

Flowers Sos. It sounds like decisions have been made, but is an EPQ worth causing you financial difficulties?

SparklySneakers · 20/03/2019 07:30

A friend of mine. I'm not seeing anything to back that up so not sure where he got it fromHmm

SparklySneakers · 20/03/2019 07:32

Refusing to panic until things are definite panicking a little. Ok a big bit.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/03/2019 07:33

I'm feeling sort of fatalistic about it really. What will be will be. Going to finish my placard today, do some work. I don't think we will be crashing out next week, though I know it's possible. I think we will end up with some sort of extension.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 20/03/2019 07:35

Morning everyone. Sad that I can’t say good morning,

Flowers to sos and all feeling despondent (all of us then...)

Listening in horror to LBC - correspondent in Buckingham talking to Bercow’s constituents- says every person she has spoken to blames him for trying to thwart Brexit.

lonelyplanetmum · 20/03/2019 07:36

DD now saying she wants at least a 10 month extension as then there'll be more Christmas presents!

Hmmmm think we need to work on the fact that your political beliefs should be based on what's best for others not yourself!

Loletta · 20/03/2019 07:38

I would rather her deal is passed than a long extension I think.

I don't think a short extension to June makes her deal passing more likely. It does makes No Deal at the end of June more likely though.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 20/03/2019 07:38

lonelyplanet thanks for getting me manage a little chuckle at something this morning Smile

Loletta · 20/03/2019 07:41

Worth remembering that extension isn’t a negotiation - it’s a request. EU know short delay presents cliff edge of April 12 after which it will become impossible for UK to hold Strasbourg elections. No deal exit now tantalisingly close for those that want it. How does deal pass?

Francis Elliott

Random18 · 20/03/2019 07:42

@Loletta I know.

I can actually see it having the opposite effect. MPs will hate the deal even more especially as she is trying to force it on them.

But Parliament needs to make a decision.

But with that woman who will listen to none as PM and puts her party over the country I really can’t see any way forward.

Feeling very unhappy this morning.

TatianaLarina · 20/03/2019 07:42

It’s fascinating that the Tories see long extension as potentially the end of the Tory party but not No Deal.

67chevvyimpala · 20/03/2019 07:49

No deal wont end the Tories.

Leavers will blame the EU, remoaners, anyone but themselves

67chevvyimpala · 20/03/2019 07:52

The March this weekend is important.

They will ignore us, obv, but it will be reported widely in the EU I suspect.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 07:54

Stop testing our patience, 'exhausted' German minister tells Brexit Britain

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-germany-roth-idUSKCN1R00VC

“Our patience as the European Union is being sorely tested at the moment,”

Michael Roth told reporters ahead of a meeting of the bloc’s Europe Ministers on Tuesday.

He added:
“I can only call once again on our British partners in London to make concrete proposals at last on why they want an extension.”

Germany’s core aim was to avoid a disorderly Brexit, but it could only agree to a postponement of the scheduled leave date of March 29 if London gave a clear reason to do so.

A postponement beyond June would mean Britain would have to participate in European Parliament elections, he added.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2019 07:55

chevvy Marches reported in Germany more than on the bbc

Flowerplower · 20/03/2019 07:56

Indeed - the March is so important. DH and I will be marching but I know so many people who want to but can't- my disabled parents who can't travel, my friends with 3 children one of whom has severe special needs. I hope all of who can march will do so for ourselves as well as for those who can't.

TatianaLarina · 20/03/2019 07:58

That’s not actually true, some will blame the EU to some extent but everyone will blame the Tories for allowing No Deal to happen when they had other options, and for its consequences.

No Deal is more likely to end the Tories as a long extension. At least extension doesn’t destroy the country.

Flowerplower · 20/03/2019 07:59

My Facebook friend in Germany posted how annoyed she is that her tax money is having to go towards preparing for a no deal brexit when it could be spent in other things. Sympathy and patience is wearing thin not just in governmnet but on the ground in the EU too - and who can blame them, really.

TatianaLarina · 20/03/2019 07:59

^ Was Reply to No deal wont end the Tories.^

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