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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 22:40

Newsnight reporting tonight that EU mood is thinking absolutely no chance of a long extension. But this could change.

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GeistohneGrenzen · 19/03/2019 22:41

PMK

Littlespaces · 19/03/2019 22:43

This is looking more and more like 'No Deal'.

Our Government has gone mad.

GD12 · 19/03/2019 22:44

twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1108133961207894016?s=19

Also, Tom Newton Dunn reporting that May has caved into the ERG and will only ask for a 3 month extension.

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 22:45

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Brexit latest: Theresa May on verge of abandoning ultimatum to ERG for a long delay after bruising Cabinet revolt. Leaves her plan to avoid No Deal in tatters (1)
www.thesun.co.uk/news/8675155/theresa-may-brexit-delay-cabinet-revolt/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
LONG DELAY? NO WAY, MAY Theresa May set to abandon plan for nine-month Brexit delay following bruising Cabinet revolt
Ten of the Prime Minister's most senior ministers insisted she ask for just three months

PM's allies now expect her to apply for just one A50 extension of 3 months on Weds - but Remain ministers warn that will delight ERG, who will run down the clock for No Deal on June 30 (2)

ERG draws up letter to PM of fresh demands for her to press on EU27 in Brussels on Thurs over Withdrawal Agreement - despite No10/EU saying negotiation closed (3)

Ministers in open despair, with Govt's Brexit strategy in freefall. A Leave minister: “Nobody knows what the f* is going on, or even who in No10 is gripping it. Maybe nobody is. The whole thing is a national humiliation on a scale we haven't seen in many, many decades” (4)

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AutumnCrow · 19/03/2019 22:49

The bird call of the Yellowhammer is supposedly very like hearing 'a little bit of bread and no cheese '.

Dour humour.

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 22:51

And we will waste the futures of so many...

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LurpakIsTheOnlyButter · 19/03/2019 22:52

I haven't caught up yet but I'm going to share my views now.

On a vote of no confidence - JC will not put this forward. He has less to lose by sitting still and watching the Tories implode. He will do nothing at all apart from make the odd angry noises as he has all along.

No one has the energy or appetite for a GE. There is no majority for anything and a hung parliament won't help anyone.

The EU will not agree an extension without a bloody good reason. As far as I can see, TM doesn't have one. She needs an extension to get MVIII. There will be no MV and even if there was she cannot get this deal through.

Everyone hates her deal, for a variety of reasons, whether leave, remain or die hard no deal.

May will not revoke. She can't. The voting leavers, the angry working class will happily assist in the destruction of the Tories. Party comes first. Nor will she resign. Won't quit. Won't die. Won't be pushed.

The EU will not save us. We will not revoke. We can't get the WA to pass. No one from any party actually really wants a PV or referendum because it's still clear that (majority of) the people do not understand what any of it actually means.

An extension causes more damage, we won't get one anyway, if we did more people are made more angry- leavers and remainers both.

No deal
No PV
No extension
No referendum

There is only one option left as far as I see things with so little time left, and that is we crash out on the 29th. I actually think this has to happen (although it is my worst nightmare) because all the other options are so pie in the sky and this is the one way to avoid the anger of pretty much everyone. I can only hope it will cause enough damage (sorry to everyone who will suffer) to smash our political system and make it reform.

On a side note, I went shopping today. I have discovered extra places to hide my stash.

GD12 · 19/03/2019 22:53

I thihk today has pretty much launched no deal red alert time,hasnt it?

67chevvyimpala · 19/03/2019 22:53

Time for a PV by 30th June?

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 22:56

No chevvy.

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BigChocFrenzy · 19/03/2019 22:57

Doesn't a PV require at least 22 weeks ?
Not enough time

NoWordForFluffy · 19/03/2019 22:58

WTAF is wrong with that woman? She's fucking determined to win the 'worst Prime Minister ever' award, isn't she?

But if the EU wants another ref, then it'll be interesting to see what she comes back with.

And yep, full on Defcon 1 klaxon.

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 22:59

She's fucking determined to win the 'worst Prime Minister ever' award, isn't she?

She's not been given it yet???!

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67chevvyimpala · 19/03/2019 22:59

Well.

We are well and truly buggered then.

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 23:00

Why have newsnight dragged up Blair for an interview?

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NoWordForFluffy · 19/03/2019 23:00

She's not been given it yet???!

Almost there!

NoWordForFluffy · 19/03/2019 23:00

Blair's been everywhere recently. It's odd.

wherearemychickens · 19/03/2019 23:01

Right, I thought I was finished with the stockpiling, but it looks like I'm doing another panicky shop after work tomorrow then.

Tonsilss · 19/03/2019 23:01

An extension to end June would really help me personally. Here's hoping some kind of extension is granted to give everyone more time to prepare

Littlespaces · 19/03/2019 23:02

I thihk today has pretty much launched no deal red alert time, hasn't it?

Yes I think so. I'm preparing for it.

All other exits are blocked so unless a blockage moves it is a No Deal either now or June.

Colourpencils · 19/03/2019 23:02

Down to single figures until we leave tomorrow Sad

TatianaLarina · 19/03/2019 23:02

It’s not so much that the EU ‘want’ a referendum simply that they want movement to justify an extension so that we don’t return in exactly the same position.

EU have always said that they would consider extending for GE, PV. They have been very clear on the terms they would consider an extension from the very get go. That option is open to May, she just won’t take it.

Tonsilss · 19/03/2019 23:03

Does anyone know what it will take to get Labour to ditch Corbyn? How can he have got so much power over the party so quickly? And despite being so useless?

67chevvyimpala · 19/03/2019 23:06

I agree I'd be happier at end of June fro personal selfish reasons but cant see it happening.

Why would the EU delay....for what??

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