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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

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AutumnCrow · 19/03/2019 19:19

Leadsom looked completely stunned and pissed off at Bercow's ruling. But she's not quite with it, really, a bit like Grayling and Fox. They operate on a C minus level, which just isn't good enough right now.

MockerstheFeManist · 19/03/2019 19:19

"Corbyn Silent...."

Yep.

May is Captain of the Titanic, and Corbyn is asleep on the Californian.

Mistigri · 19/03/2019 19:20

My 16 year old would be a better defence secretary than Gav. Has any cabinet ever contained two politicians of the calibre of Gav and Chris?

1tisILeClerc · 19/03/2019 19:20

{Where shall she get expert advice now Maplins is closed?}
Maplins gave up being 'expert' at anything 25 or more years ago.
They had actually been moderately good before that but the dumbed down and went 'popular'. (useless trivia!)

Flowerplower · 19/03/2019 19:21

Omg just saw that stop-brexit....truck? Van? Vehicle thing?

TatianaLarina · 19/03/2019 19:23

It must be galling that after all that effort it's not good enough for the ERG. Her mistake was not understanding that nothing would be good enough. But almost everyone made that mistake too, including the EU, almost all remainers, and some otherwise-sane leavers

Her mistake was no gaining indicative votes and consensus before she started negotiating the deal.

She chose to pander to the ERG above everyone else, and failed. Amusingly.

Flowerplower · 19/03/2019 19:23

Cant9 seem to post the photo, you'll just have to take my word for it.

MockerstheFeManist · 19/03/2019 19:23

No matter. You can always plug the short extension into the long extension and get an extended extension.

borntobequiet · 19/03/2019 19:23

Perhaps JRM should lend TM a quill for her letter. She might not have a calligraphy pen.

tobee · 19/03/2019 19:24

How many on here have come across people in rl who think "no deal" can now definitely not happen since last week's events?

TatianaLarina · 19/03/2019 19:24

My 16 year old would be a better defence secretary than Gav. Has any cabinet ever contained two politicians of the calibre of Gav and Chris?

My 14 year old would be a better defence secretary than Gav and he’s one of the laziest children I’ve ever met.

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 19:26

Hayley Barlow @ hayley_barlow
Meaningful Vote 3 could be on Thursday March 28 - the day before Brexit. Channel 4 News Political Editor @GaryGibbonBlog reports.

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LonelyTiredandLow · 19/03/2019 19:26

Probably risking sounding dim here but...don't all of the EU countries have to agree and extension still? So it's far from a given (even without Banks/Farage meddling) and perhaps more so if some countries are awaiting goods from Yorkshire Grin. It seems odd to me that Merkel appears very pro-extension but we've not heard much other in the way of "yes please" from anywhere else.

MockerstheFeManist · 19/03/2019 19:26

None of yer French Bic ballpoints. Send for a Platignum Gold Nib!

Mistigri · 19/03/2019 19:26

She chose to pander to the ERG above everyone else,

But a lot of people, including all remainers who thought MV3 might pass, and the EU negotiators and head of state, still considered this a viable approach - until yesterday.

Frankiestein402 · 19/03/2019 19:32

Brown, Blair, Callaghan, Wilson

It's testament to the right and their media management that they have managed to get even middle of the road labour to believe that Corbyn is hard left. The Corbyn manifesto is much closer to the centre than any published by Callaghan or Wilson. That is why he is unelectable - Kinnock suffered in the same way, as did Foot and Brown - all were/are significantly more competent and honest than any of the current cabinet - but any election will be close - that is the travesty.

TalkinPaece · 19/03/2019 19:34

For those wondering about the Pro Brexit lorries in Yorkshire
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/route-revealed-for-pro-brexit-go-slow-lorry-protest-across-yorkshire-1-9659397

Maybe Farage's little lot could get stuck behind them Grin

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 19:35

Suffice to say news of MV3 on the 28th has sent Brexit twitter of all persuasions into complete melt down!!

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Sostenueto · 19/03/2019 19:36

The letter is not sent yet......TM can't decide what to write in it!Hmm

TatianaLarina · 19/03/2019 19:37

But a lot of people, including all remainers who thought MV3 might pass, and the EU negotiators and head of state, still considered this a viable approach - until yesterday.

Well they know now don’t they.

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 19:39

Esther Webber@estwebber
Defra advertising (yes, now) for staff to work on Brexit might include my favourite euphemism yet

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Sostenueto · 19/03/2019 19:39

Lovely cats and pictures pretty!

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 19:41

Esther Webber@estwebber
then there's this

this is quite beautiful

Someone's had a laugh with those.

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TalkinPaece · 19/03/2019 19:41

RTB
That is a classic bit if Birtspeak

bellinisurge · 19/03/2019 19:41

I voted for Foot, Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Milliband.
Quite apart from any "left ness", I would never vote for Labour under Corbyn because he is a contemptible toad. Twats like him lurked around the Labour Party for decades, virtue signalling, loving to hang out with other twats like Hamas to be "edgy ". I watched him when Chakrabati launched her "report" into Labour antisemitism and some other twat launched into Berger with an antisemitic rant. And he just stood there and did fuck all. That's the sort of person he is. Useless.