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Westminstenders: Erskine Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 09:55

John Bercow has stepped in. We've long made the point, that the position of Speaker was utterly crucial to the outcome of Brexit. However this ruling was long warned as a possibility. It was somewhat overlooked by all (including me).

We are now faced with the bizarre narrative that May was just about to be able to get her deal through, and it's now simply Bercow who has tried to sabotage Brexit.

The reality is that his ruling has the effect of making BOTH no deal And a lengthy extension (possibly with a PV) much more likely.

May now has to embrace one of these option (by accident or design) or find a way to substantially change the terms of her deal as put to the Commons, either through negotiation with the EU or bolting something significantly different to her deal like a variation of the Kyle Amendment (a PV based on her deal or remain). Or find a majority to overturn the standing order that Bercow has cited as the reason for his block.

This block also might apply to the Benn amendment (indicative votes) or other PV amendments. Which could equally be problematic going forward.

In reality Bercow has upped the stakes and forced May to do something meaningful rather than simply holding a gun to MPs heads to vote. Hurrah for parliamentary Sovereignty and limiting the abuse of power of the executive!?!

It's a completely neutral move in practice. The HoC has tied itself in knots with how it's voted for political reason rather than for the national interest. The British Constitution has just stood up for itself. Bercow is just a useful target to blame for the incompetence of the entire house for the last 3 years.

The billion pound question this morning is where does that now leave us?

The honest answer is I'm damned if I know.

Maybe the EU will come up with a magic bullet for May, maybe the Cabinet can come up with a magic bullet, maybe May will take the political magic bullet of a long extension or revocation or maybe we'll just all shoot ourselves in the head and foot with no deal.

I have no idea.

10 days to go.

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NoMoreMonkeysJumpingOnTheBed · 19/03/2019 19:50

Jumping in to say thanks for deciphering the mountain of political jardon RTB and others, it really is helpful to see the topic covered from all angles.

Posting this as the result from Charlie Elphicke's Facebook poll m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=853621808306161&id=524372714564407

Doesn't mean anything really, but it is heartening to see a result favouring remain!

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 19:53

The Columnist @sime0nstylites
It all feels a bit Lehman like.

That is not good.

Moral hazard vs too big to fail.

< Brace, Brace >

My pressing questions for the week appear to be
Can I go to London this weekend as my house sale is progressing at a much faster pace than we anticipated as it looks like our mortgage provider, solicitors and the surveyors don't appear to be busy (to say the least) for some reason...

... And if my house sale is going through very fast, wtf do I do about the frozen food in the freezer over the next week? Can I justify buying more? Or do I eat what Ive got?

Fuck knows.

Only a total fool would even think about moving in the next 3 or 4 weeks.

Ffs.

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Sostenueto · 19/03/2019 19:53

Dear Mr Tusk
I am writing to you concerning Brexit. As Brexit means Brexit as I'm sure your aware I have decided ( by myself so no fear of disagreement) to change Brexit means Brexit to Brexit means Brexshit ( notice substantial change) so, in light of the substantial change I now call upon you to grant an infinitum extension to A50 as its not the same deal so as it is not Brexit means Brexit but Brexit means Brexshit I am entitled to have that extension we talked about a long, long, time ago. If you don't give me what I want I will put 'that' video we made together when we were having our cosy 'chats' on line for all to see that you don't have a big set of balls after all! ( unlike the speaker of the house)
I demand that you meet my request for an ex

MangoSplit · 19/03/2019 19:55

Belated place mark

Sostenueto · 19/03/2019 19:57

Tension cos I say so so there!
Yours sincerely and undoubtedly the Priminister of Little Britain
Theresa May

BestIsWest · 19/03/2019 19:57

Pm k

Sostenueto · 19/03/2019 19:59

Bugger! It posted halfway through!

Sostenueto · 19/03/2019 20:02

A good cross post there!

Sostenueto · 19/03/2019 20:05

Goodnight till tomorrow my steadfast companions. Here's to PMQs that will be as dreary as ever!

BollocksToBrexit · 19/03/2019 20:08

Hands up all those who think Theresa will go to the summit on Thursday as a humble supplicant rather than a belligerent antagonist?

mathanxiety · 19/03/2019 20:16

Pmk..

NoWordForFluffy · 19/03/2019 20:21

Hands up all those who think Theresa will go to the summit on Thursday as a humble supplicant rather than a belligerent antagonist?

I'm not sure that's in her nature, no matter how dire our situation is.

hereweareyes · 19/03/2019 20:22

Bollocks I truly have no idea.

If they have any sense (and I think they do) they will say no to an extension, because it would be irresponsible: it would just mean more of the same for both the UK and the rest of the EU.

But if they say no and we go on to leave, however we choose to do it, it will presumably be a disaster and then the EU will forever be blamed for it Hmm

It seems like whatever happens now (cancelling Brexit, or going ahead) there's a substantial risk of civil unrest. The government would have to be really brave to cancel now. Sad

Holidayshopping · 19/03/2019 20:24

Twitter reports seem to be suggesting a MV3 on her deal next Thursday! Talk about cutting it fine.

Can TM still revoke at 11.59pm next Thursday night?

nuttynutjob · 19/03/2019 20:26

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Plaice cat king

hereweareyes · 19/03/2019 20:26

Can TM still revoke at 11.59pm next Thursday night?

It would have to be 10:59pm wouldn't it? I think Brexit is at midnight Brussels time?

OublietteBravo · 19/03/2019 20:27

Can TM still revoke at 11.59pm next Thursday night?

No. Because that’s 59 minutes after Brexit.

Tonsilss · 19/03/2019 20:28

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OublietteBravo · 19/03/2019 20:28

Oh no wait. Ignore me. Thursday is only 28 March. My bad!

Icantreachthepretzels · 19/03/2019 20:29

@TiddleTaddleTat The marches have always been very friendly and safe before. If any pro brexiters ever show up (and that isn't at every one) there's about 12 and they stand at the side and shout. But the more of us there are the less they tend to turn up.
There are always loads of children on the marches - and there are plenty of opportunities to duck out and join up again later if yours doesn't want to do the whole thing.
It really depends how good your little one is with crowds and if you trust them not to wander off - but if that's not an issue then safety should be OK. Hope you can make it Smile

OublietteBravo · 19/03/2019 20:29

I think she can probably revoke A50 even on 29 March. Although I wouldn’t be comfortable with her cutting it that fine.

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 20:29

Seeing reports that France will veto any meaningless extension...

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hereweareyes · 19/03/2019 20:29

Ah so it is, I was making the assumption without checking the date.

I assume that would be possible, no?

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 20:31

Reuters Top News @reuters
France ready to veto any meaningless Brexit delay: Elysee official
mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1R01RU?__twitter_impression=true

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