Westminstenders: Neglectful Drunkeness!

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The HoC has spend the past 3 years in a state of Neglectful Drunkeness.

As it stands less then two weeks from Brexit Day, there is no deal we were promised. The Conservative and Labour Parties are more divided than ever.

The government is in disarray as 8 Cabinet ministers plus the chief whip voted against the Prime Minister including the Brexit Secretary who had minutes earlier argued for an extension only to vote against it. He is now on the brink of resignation.

The DUP look like they may be about to capitulate and vote for a deal. But it may not be enough even then.

This is what the cliff edge looks like.

Who wants to take a closer look?

Nikita
I live in Southampton.
It was a very odd audience. Much older than I expected and several of the people around us had never seen Father Ted.
Ardal's father and two of his siblings are politicians. His grandfather fought for Irish independence.
He did some very gentle Brexit material but both DH and I were utterly certain he pulled a good ten minutes worth.

Thanks Talk. Guess they weren't the audience he was expecting!

If there was any humour in Brexit, it's been milked by now ...

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Yes but you see the agenda has shifted from Norway (or even Norway +) to a war like rhetoric in which only the destruction of the EU will do. I dread to think where this will stop.

Leave MPs do seem to be holding out.

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@andreajenkyns 4h4 hours ago
I will NOT be voting in support of the PMs Withdrawal Agreement. The British spirit is to fight on and not to back down to threats. The WA is not good for Britain. We deserve better:not to be locked in and tied to the EU. We voted to be free, not subjugation.

More stupid hostile environment rules making the UK a place that people will want to avoid
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/16/tier-4-foreign-student-visa-rules-hit-amateur-sports-clubs

THe left hand clearly has no idea what the right hand is doing
www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/16/visa-extension-overseas-students-uk-brexit

More stupid hostile environment rules making the UK a place that people will want to avoid

For the first time ever I've made hard copies of our council tax bill to be carried as proof of residence and entitlement. Given how much we're paying , getting additional use out of it seems prudent ...

uk.news.yahoo.com/damage-done-disbelief-europe-another-200007557.html

“This is the most boring crisis ever,” said one Dutch Eurocrat. “It just goes on and on and on, about the same thing. And, you know, the British reputation will be ruined for decades – like France in the 1980s. That will be the UK. You can see it happening already.”

Also, if Corbyn flat out refused to say he would vote for any deal then the press would then say he was rubbishing his own customs union deal and ignoring Labour Leave voters.
Trying to understand the Kyle/Wilson amendment but struggling, just read an article in the Guardian written by them and they talk about 'some form of Brexit deal' on the ballot and make no mention of Theresa May's deal.
I would much prefer straight forward indicative votes with the whip removed to see what the numbers are for either May's deal, a customs union deal or a PV with more clarity about what would be on the ballot.
So fed up with the game playing and the attempts to manipulate votes on all sides.

He might be talking rubbish again but just seen this:
Brexit: No new vote on May's deal without DUP support - chancellor
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-47602746

Much older than I expected and several of the people around us had never seen Father Ted

Weird. How do you end up at an Ardal O’Halon gig having never seen Father Ted before?

I’m all over the place today, country is in chaos, I’m baking ginger bread with dd so it feels like Xmas. I’ve no idea what’s going on at all.

Latest YouGov poll 14-15 Mar
CON 35% (-5)
LAB 31% (-)
LDEM 12% (1)
UKIP 6% (+3)
BREX 4% (+1)
GRN 4% (-)

What does BREX stand for ?

That should say (+1) for Lib Dems. Not sure if May's deal got through this week whether this would improve the polling for the Tories or whether it's the no dealers moving permanently to UKIP/Brexit Party.

BREX is The Brexit Party - Nigel Farage's new party.

The whole Leaver/Brexit mindset reminds me vaguely of people who would come to my DF (repairing cars) for a quote, then argue over it saying "so and so down the road can do it cheaper" and then get offended when my DF told them to go there instead ...

"But we want you to do the work" they'd say.

Seems Leavers are like that with political parties ... they want the discount deal (i.e. price of "down the road") but the silver service (my DF to do the work) at the same time.

I imagine there are a few people - mainly in government - on whom that analogy is probably a bit lost ....

BREX is The Brexit Party - Nigel Farage's new party.

I know it's my metropolitan liberal elite background, but I am reminded of "The Frogs" by Aristophanes ....

DGRossetti I shall have to google that

On me

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frogs

(Brekekekèx-koàx-koáx ... Brekekekèx-koàx-koáx ...)

Not sure if it is part of a conspiracy, or a sad reflection on modernity, but it's only by learning and appreciating such works from antiquity that you suddenly realise - and it can be a shock - that for all our thousands of years of "civilisation", as a society we haven't really progressed one iota (to use a Greek letter ).

Case in hand is how the Roman equivalent of Carillion tried to stiff Claudius on the contract to widen Romes ports. (They failed because Claudius had the previous quote they'd submitted to Augustus ... or was it Tiberius ? and asked them why it was much cheaper ...). Or, keeping with the Claudian theme, his work to build silos for grain as he was fed up with merchants engineering "shortages" to game the market.

It's not necessarily a compliment to assert that a Roman citizen timescooped into 2019 would adapt within days, if not hours. That little has changed .....

I'm confused by the Kyle amendment: if it is conditional on May's deal being passed, does it mean there would be no amendment tabling a 2nd ref of May's deal fails again??

Or is it not dependent on May's deal after all?

The Kyle amendment is if the WA is passed by the HoC then it needs to also get a public vote (presumably WA vs Remain).

I imagine there will be another amendment regarding a stand alone PV.

Though Corbyn seems to be suggesting that they won't back the WA at all as they want a chance to negotiate, so maybe there'll be another amendment in relation to that too. Though that may be a separate indicative vote post-Tuesday if the WA doesn't pass.

Christ, I'm bored of all this now.