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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 16:59

New: ERG will be voting against all amendments this evening, MPs emerging from the meeting say.

If the main government motion is amended by any of the amendments, ERG will join government in voting against it.

If the main government motion ISN'T amended, ERG will vote as they like.

An ERG member also says they have also agreed to back the government and PM in any no-confidence motion.

In response to a question about deposing the PM, an ERG MP replies: "You're in the realms of Bridgen briefing. Most of us are still Conservatives and fairly normal members of the human race."

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Drizzlehair · 14/03/2019 17:02

@Camomila 5pm I thought

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 17:02

Voting starting now

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 17:03

Thanks for the well wishes Smile

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 17:03

What are the best # to follow.on Twitter rather than just #brexit?

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 17:04

Voting now. See you on the other side, I'm driving for most of the next hour and a half.

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Butterymuffin · 14/03/2019 17:04

Starting now? Are the amendments voted on in their letter order?

DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 17:04

Most of us are still Conservatives and fairly normal members of the human race.

Shock

Sorry, the two are mutually exclusive. Any party that dreamt up the rape clause for tax credits cannot be human.

Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:05

Labour are abstaining

Butterymuffin · 14/03/2019 17:07

Trump coming out against a PV can surely only make it more popular. He's so very obviously corrupt he taints everything by association.

yolofish · 14/03/2019 17:07

I am still so confused. And not posting a picture of my cats because the bastards woke me up at 2am this morning, fighting on my bed. Has anyone seriously suggested revoke yet? If not, why not? it would be so much simpler.

phpolly · 14/03/2019 17:08

DGR the niece had children, then? I will do a little more reading.
Meantime I do hope you will keep your MN user name!
Waiting for the result of the first vote now....

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 17:08

Watching sky...

Why so many abstaining?

Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:09

Labour need to make up their mind what exactly they stand for!

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 17:09

Was it old ken clark who has mentioned revoke? Might be making that up....don't trust me.

Lweji · 14/03/2019 17:09

"If the Wollaston amendment were to pass, then the Benn amendment and the Labour amendment would both fail, and that partly explains why Labour are abstaining."

DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 17:10

Labour need to make up their mind what exactly they stand for!

notangelinajolie · 14/03/2019 17:11

Because the are all sitting on a mandate to respect the result of the referendum.

phpolly · 14/03/2019 17:12

wonna yes yes yes!
Feeling a bit bad for Sarah Wollaston right now - I like her, she strikes me as being quite bright, earnest and articulate

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 17:13

Ta lweji

phpolly · 14/03/2019 17:14

I think you're right, Hazard. I'm no Tory (!!!!) but I do think Kenneth Clarke usually speaks sense. And the fact that he is no fan of the PM endears him to me even more

EweSurname · 14/03/2019 17:16

85 vs 334

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 17:17

Cocks. Wollaston flopped...only amendment that was actually suggesting something Angry

Butterymuffin · 14/03/2019 17:17

Wollaston amendment fails by 249