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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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phpolly · 14/03/2019 16:38

DGR if you are up for a change of surname, you could always explore the Polidori or Agresti branches of the family

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 16:38

EP election complications

Unless we participate in the EP elections, some of our seats will be allocated to other countries
(and some reserved for the future)

So a 2nd extension would be tricky for that reason alone

If we plan to participate, we need to say pretty quickly, because parties in other countries are already planning their lists of candidates

If they have to remove some candidates because we've taken the seat back, the UK will piss off a lot of disappointed politicians !


Jennifer Rankin@JenniferMerode

Is there a treaty fix to get out of European elex?

EU sources unconvinced. Brexit deputy Sabine Weyand told ambassadors y'day there is not enough time.

The last treaty change took 2.5 yrs to ratify in national parliaments.

Whatever rights and wrongs, tricky to solve.

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 16:39

Fuck! How did it get to this time??!! I'm glad as I just want to go to bed but no wonder the children are getting hungry. They are always bloody hungry though. 3 ill children and me ill too does not make for a fun week. It's nearly voting time Shock

phpolly · 14/03/2019 16:40

Can I ask a stupid question please? Why would TM insist that a longer extension include the EP elections? Why couldn't that extension end in mid/late May just before those elections? Hasn't she created an artificial either/or?

Loletta · 14/03/2019 16:40

Food for thought:

As we stand, MV3 doesn't have the votes. Say May persuades DUP and gets ERG down to real core 20. By my maths, she'll still lose by 45. She needs 23 extra #Labour MPs. Are they there? Not at the moment.
Glen O'Hara

MyNameIsArthur · 14/03/2019 16:42

PMK

TiddleTaddleTat · 14/03/2019 16:43

Marking my place and hope I'm home in time for this afternoon's votes!

Motheroffourdragons · 14/03/2019 16:44

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This has been deleted by MNHQ to protect the privacy of the user.

phpolly · 14/03/2019 16:44

Well Trump has apparently just said that a PV would be "unfair" - which seems reason enough to support a PV

RhubarbCrumbled · 14/03/2019 16:44

PMK

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 16:45

I love it when he says order!

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 16:45

phpolly because 22 May gives insufficient time to do anything more than keep voting on her WA

If the HoC says they don't want to vote on the WA any more, then there would be no more options within a short extension

DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 16:47

DGR if you are up for a change of surname, you could always explore the Polidori or Agresti branches of the family

I did an awful lot of research many years ago (Highgate, Birchington) - if I had gone on Mastermind I would have looked to Pre-Raphaelites as my specialist subject (with emphasis on the Rossetti family). Second specialist subject could have been interesting ... "The Life and Times of Aleister Crowley" or "The Imperial Roman family Augustus through Claudius" ?

There's an extant branch of the Rossettis from WM/Madox-Brown side of the family.

The silver lining to ending up in Birmingham is the Museum and Art Gallery, along with being 100 miles closer to Liverpool Art Gallery Grin

I really need to get out more .....

phpolly · 14/03/2019 16:48

DGR thanks for info. If you need to get out more, then so do I, in spades. Pre-Raphaelites are a special interest of mine but I did not know there's an extant branch of the Rossettis

Somerville · 14/03/2019 16:49

PMK

Loletta · 14/03/2019 16:49

Beth Rigby:
Am told Labour frontbench are supporting Benn amendment. So it’s really in play

phpolly · 14/03/2019 16:50

BCF thank you!!! That had really been bothering me

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 16:52

mother I understood the PV leaders want a long extension of A50 so the politicians can decide what Brexit means

They don't say why we can't just have a vote on this WA vs Remain Confused
tbh, sounds like they just want to string it out in the hope Brexit will go away

I fear it is like an infected wound that needs to be dealt with before it gets even worse

Menawhile the EU is supposed to hang around while the UK indulges in our late midlife crisis

DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 16:54

DGR thanks for info. If you need to get out more, then so do I, in spades. Pre-Raphaelites are a special interest of mine but I did not know there's an extant branch of the Rossettis

Ah ... well here you mentioned them - Agresti. Which I wasn't aware of (slight buzz in back of head) since they're not in the UK (or weren't) which is my area of intrigue....

I know there's an extant branch as the tomb in Highgate is still used - or was up till 1982 (I visited in 1990).

Somewhere I have a photo with the name. However I am aware it's creeping close to the possibility of living relatives, who deserve privacy. Although on that subject it can be surprising when famous descendants pop up ... I was a little gobsmacked when Oscar Wildes grandson was in a documentary ....

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 16:56

Very thoughtful thread from a quite well-known liberal Leave campaigner who now thinks Brexit was a mistake

He references 2 others who decided the same

mobile.twitter.com/TheScepticIsle/status/1106228189368631297

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 16:56

Four minutes!!!

MyNameIsArthur · 14/03/2019 16:58

Is it too early strategically to table an amendment for a second referendum?

Camomila · 14/03/2019 16:58

Hope they feel better soon sparkly I got called to pick DS up from nursery early as an upset stomach. Currently sitting in our pjs watching BBC news (he is watching YouTube kids)

I'm guessing the vote is at 7?

DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 16:58

God Twitter has gone to shit ....

BoreOfWhabylon · 14/03/2019 16:59

PMK

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