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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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phpolly · 14/03/2019 17:18

come on Benn amendment; strikes me as perhaps the most relevant / promising?

Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:18

Here we go ... kicking the cab

Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:18

Can

Greensleeves · 14/03/2019 17:18

what the FUCK are Labour playing at Sad

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 17:18

Next amendment up is what i am calling the fannying amendment. Let's fanny about until June...because that won't make people hate the government more.

Lweji · 14/03/2019 17:18

Labour MPs are getting up this time.

67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 17:20

Labour are only marginally less of a disgrace than the fucking tories/DUP bastard hybrid

Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:21

Agree chevvy

Songsofexperience · 14/03/2019 17:21

No, they're just as bad. Really.

dreichuplands · 14/03/2019 17:22

I also agree chevy

phpolly · 14/03/2019 17:22

67 agree completely Sad Sad Sad

Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:22

Labour need a new leader in order to have any chance of a GE Zein

Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:22

Win - sorry fat fingers

Butterymuffin · 14/03/2019 17:23

Is there a chance of this getting through, realistically? Sky just said the govt will hate it and are whipping heavily against it - not that that's been foolproof lately.

IrenetheQuaint · 14/03/2019 17:23

How many pointless votes can one parliament hold??

Icantreachthepretzels · 14/03/2019 17:23

PMK just as the voting happens. Though I have no idea what is actually happening.

Theladyofthehouse · 14/03/2019 17:28

Pmk and getting news through this thread. I just cannot face the news, worse is the media shouting match debates.
Thank you to those keeping an eye, please can I have a Janet and John explanation when it’s safe to come out from behind the sofa.

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 17:29

Which amendment is the most important? I've lost track.

Easilyflattered · 14/03/2019 17:30

Another one here for an explanation please.

Lweji · 14/03/2019 17:30

How many pointless votes can one parliament hold??

Good question.
Are they just going to drag all this to the point of hitting the iceberg with no decision and no deal on the 29th?

Lweji · 14/03/2019 17:32

Nos for 3 votes!

Butterymuffin · 14/03/2019 17:32

Benn amendment defeated by just 3 votes

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 17:32

Noes have it. This is just an amendment to the amendment. My brain is struggling!

On previous vote over 40 labour MPs voted which suggests a number of Tories abstained.

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 17:33

FFS. No we don't want to deal, no we don't want no deal, no we don't want to extend til June.

Revoke?

bookbook · 14/03/2019 17:33

Think that was the Lucy Powell vote? which comes before the Hilary Benn one