Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

So we'll be seeing all Australians getting extra vetting when entering the UK to fight terrorism... And we'll take a harsh immigration line.

It won't be all, though, will it?

Compare with the gun crimes in the US.

Claire Phipps @ claire_phipps
So many lessons for the media to learn about coverage of terrorist attacks, and some simply refuse to learn them: Australian media broadcast footage from Christchurch shootings despite police pleas

sigh

The attackers live streamed it and the media think this is OK. The Sun has stills from the footage so it's not just Australian media.

The lack of responsibility here is staggering.

I've just FaceTimed my friend in NZ - it's 49 people now. One more just died in hospital

Tom Nuttall @ tom_nuttall
The Christchurch shooter's manifesto says "despair set in" and his "belief in a democratic solution vanished" after the "globalist, anti-white" Macron defeated the "quasinationalist" Le Pen in 2017.

Hmmm.

This has a familiar ring, doesn't it?

Journos need to think "Would I broadcast IRA terrorists live?" Obviously not. It is not entertainment even when it is happening to somebody else.

www.smh.com.au/national/white-broken-men-the-20190315-p514ml.html

The UK needs to wake up (not the ones on this thread) this is what Farage and Banks are breeding..... I am sure with Bannon in the background goading them on

The UK needs to wake up (not the ones on this thread) this is what Farage and Banks are breeding...
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Yes-^The Christchurch shooter's manifesto s^hows a direct link to the xenophobia that people like Le Pen and Farage have bred. It has infected the other side of the globe too.
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There is a really nasty right wing, white supremacist, anti immigration section in Australia. My cousin, son of an immigrant- an illegal immigrant no less, who went on a holiday visa and overstayed- is a member of one such pathetic group. Our last conversation consisted of him telling me I was a blind leftist cunt and me telling him he was a shit for brains hypocritical twat. He thinks Brexit, Trump at al are fantastic. Scum.

😔

What the f* is the relationship between Muslims living in Christchurch in NZ and Macron in France?

Right wing extremism appears to be a virus that affects everywhere.

I don't even know what to say today.

It is all so incredibly sad. I am feeling very pessimistic this morning. Much of the world is in a terrible place right now. There seem to be dark forces (the moneyed right wing with tentacles of international connection) that are deliberately creating chaos. Of course Brexit is part of this, along with Trump, Erdogan, Orban, and on and on, feeding and encouraging the hatred of the kind of person who would commit mass murder in a mosque. Who can stop this, and how?
Sorry to be so glum!

So those hypocritical toxic sores who don't want foreign interference have been going around begging for foreign interference? Is it really true Tory MPs have done the same?

I'm sick of this- we laugh at Berlusconi for being corrupt. We are as bad.

Aron Banks, tweeted: “The British media often miss the point that @Nigel_Farage has spent 20 years forging contacts with Eurosceptic European groups some of whom are now in power ! We may need a little help from our continental friends on article 50 extension @matteosalvinimi & others.”

It was also reported that a delegation of Conservative MPs had travelled to Warsaw to appeal to the Government of Poland to block the extension.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/news/politics/brexit-nigel-farage-slammed-for-lobbying-foreign-governments-1-4889246/amp

Types like Banks and Farage have been emboldened by the fact that despite mountains of evidence such as that cited above by lonelyplanetmum , they never seem to experience consequences. Carole Cadwalladr must be incredibly frustrated by the official response to her investigations of Arron Banks, for example. Brexit is going ahead despite the documented evidence of corruption and the influence of dark money in the Leave campaign.

Refusing any Art50 extension, forces the UK to face hard choices : WA, Revoke or No-deal.

Why the EU want to be stuck in endless WA negotiations with the UK is beyond me, they've prepped for no-deal and now might well consider this is the preferable option, esp as it means many more UK business will go to the EU.

Jasmin Mujanovic @jamsinmuj
I won’t post photos but “markings” many are noting on the #Christchurch shooter’s weapons are historic battles & leaders popular w far-right extremists including, in Cyrillic, “Miloš Obilić”, 14thC Serbian knight who killed Murad I @ 1389 Battle of Kosovo, also a far-right trope.

In other words, this has all the markings of a Breivik-style far-right extremist, likely explicitly neo-Nazi judging by some of his images, steeped in toxic, faux-historical narratives about “defending” white Christendom; hence references to Obilić, 1683 Battle of Vienna etc.

One more thought: the shooter makes repeated references to the “remove Kebab” meme, which is based on a propaganda video produced by Serb nationalist forces during the Bosnian War & Bosnian Genocide in 90s. Meshes w/ Obilić references & clear Breivik influence.

The “Remove Kebab” video & accompanying memes have been shared millions of times over the last several yrs. The Bosnian Genocide has become major ideological pillar among, and model for new-age far-right extremists, like the Holocaust in previous generations of their ilk.

Cannot confirm this bc I refuse to watch the video but colleagues noting music heard in portion of footage is from “Remove Kebab” video meme, known in original as “Bog je Srbin i on će nas čuvati” (“God is a Serb & he will protect us”). Clear familiarity w/ Bosnian Genocide.

I also suspect the use of the term “Turk(s)” as a slur, chalked up w/ homophonic variant on his rifle, is (partially) influenced by Serb ultra-nationalist rhetoric; referring to Bosniaks, sometimes Albanians & Kosovars, as “Turks” common among Serb far-right/ultra-nationalists.

My suspicion is rooted in the fact that “Turk” is not a common slur among Western far-right more generally but very common in the Balkans. And since he’s clearly familiar w/ Bosnian War & Genocide, my logic is he picked up on some of the extremist terminology in that context.

Murtaza Mohammad Hussain @ MazMHussian
Had no idea that was the origin of that meme. The Bosnian Genocide continues to be an inspiration to white nationalists around the world, including Anders Breivik who was obsessed with it.

Jasmine's ongoing commentary on how politics in Bosnia and Serbia are deteriorating is very scary. His commentary on Trump almost as good as Sarah Kendzior. He is an expert on this.

The Sun carried a still of live stream with the gun visible and I'm assuming since Jasmin has been able to comment on the markings, it's likely to show these signs.

So its in effect carrying a photo of a gun carrying swastikas and other extreme symbols which have resonance with far right groups (and possibly will encourage others to investigate what they mean) which is being used in an actual massacre.

I can not begin to express how reprehensible and poor the editorial decisions are here.

I am mentioning the Sun as its the newspaper I've seen the image pop up from on my twitter feed. There might be other British media carrying this image or similar ones.

I think there is something of a problem in how we focus on the holocaust (and obviously not well enough) but don't really talk about other genocides even modern ones. The Bosnian war definitely is a fading memory and yet the legacy of it us still huge and the situation in Bosnia and Serbia who have been stuck coping with many trapped migrants from Syria is a huge issue for the stability of both countries and a massive concern of the EU's. Its very rarely discussed in this country though.

And of course there is the Russia connection here.

Serbia and Bosnia are beautiful and amazing countries but they are a massive culture shock. Even 10 years ago, before there has been an upsurge in ultra right nationalism in Serbia, there was a bookshop, which would be akin in size and importance to a Waterstones with Mein Kampf on display in pride of place in the window.

We have firmly taken our eyes off the ball.

Awful events in New Zealand and just shows how dangerous the rising far-right is.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47581483

Profits at UK pub chain JD Wetherspoon fell 19% in the six months to the end of January.

It blamed a rise in labour costs, interest payments, utility bills, repairs and depreciation for the fall.

Its chairman, Brexit supporter Tim Martin, who generally accompanies results announcements with his colourful opinions, expressed concern that Brexit would be reversed.

(contd)

Tom Watson @ tomwatson
If YouTube don't have the capability to halt the spread of the NZ massacre videos - because they are going up faster than they can take them down - then they should suspend all new uploads at this time.

Profits at UK pub chain JD Wetherspoon fell 19% in the six months to the end of January.

Where did I put my world's tiniest violin?

Mark Di Stefano @ markdistef
Daily Mirror and Daily Mail running edited parts of the Christchurch terrorist’s first-person video on their websites, pop-ups, ads around them.

Daily Mail's shows him walking to mosque door and aiming to begin attack.

The Mirror’s shows him shooting at people.

The Sun’s homepage is a gif of the terrorist’s first-person video, surrounded by advertising, just looping.

The Daily Mail is also hosting the terrorist’s manifesto, again the video pop-up and advertising around, allowing readers to download it directly from their website.