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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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mathanxiety · 14/03/2019 23:29

*Collins

HesterThrale · 14/03/2019 23:37

Honestly they should just Revoke. The Brexiteers have been given a more-than-fair crack of the whip. Two years nine months to come up with a workable plan, and they've massively failed.

Revoke now... come back when you've thought of a plan and we'll make reconsider.

Until then, don't darken our doors and continually fill us with avoidable stress and anxiety.

borntobequiet · 15/03/2019 05:43

Both Obama and Trump were asked questions, which they answered based on their understanding of the situation and their own particular style. Anyone getting upset at either answer was/is missing the point or trying to make political capital of it, which is unfortunately what some people do and what sensible people ignore.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 15/03/2019 05:48

Economic migrant cat (he used to live next door but adopted us and his owner told us to keep him when she moved) is not impressed

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
Cailleach1 · 15/03/2019 06:15

That puddy is gorgeous. What cheeks; the facial kind. The fur will get peachy highlights in the sun. I had a darker cat whose fur got auburn highlights in summer. And a similar grey/blue fellow who went peachy.

frumpety · 15/03/2019 06:18

Two Mosques attacked in Christchurch NZ , multiple fatalities Sad

BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2019 06:26

Are cats Citizens of Nowhere ?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 15/03/2019 06:30

My cat is after peeing on my bed Hmm

mrslaughan · 15/03/2019 06:32

Pmk

Flowerplower · 15/03/2019 06:33

My cat greatly values his freedom of movement...he can make a home anywhere and I highlysuspect he enjoys the cuisine of many different nearby nations (i.e. the neighbours are feeding him).

LonelyandTiredandLow · 15/03/2019 06:35

If this type of behaviour is happening in Scotland which voted remain...Shock

mrslaughan · 15/03/2019 06:44

The attacks in Nz on the mosques in NZ will shake it too the core. It - I think- will be only the second terrorist attack on NZ soil ( if you can count the French govt sinking the green peace boat - actually not sure that is strictly terrorist).

Unbelievable and deeply sad for my country that this radicalisation has hit its shores

MangoSplit · 15/03/2019 06:49

Belated place mark

lonelyplanetmum · 15/03/2019 07:01

News from New Zealand is off the scale of unbelievable. 40 families devastated.

One of the attackers was apparently an Australian who had written a manifesto with far-right and anti-immigrant ideology. Compared to here- New Zealand and Australia are countries predominantly populated by recent immigrants. The attacker was an immigrant. I thought it was the one country that was safe and had managed to make some amends for the past and managed diversity, tolerance and respect as an example to the rest of the world.
It's nothing to do with immigration is it? - it's to do with white supremacy.

frumpety · 15/03/2019 07:09

"Mr Speaker, my member of staff was on her own, if she was here now she would say she was a tough woman who was happy to take them, but she shouldn't have to."

Is that come and have a go if you think you're hard enough in polite speak ?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 15/03/2019 07:16

With life expectancy falling under tories and higher cost of living for pensioners (who let's face it won't be able to fight for food in Brexit Britain) this doesn't surprise me.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 15/03/2019 07:17

frumpety handbags at the ready!

Poor NZ and shame on the media for perpetuating it. I hope Fb are keeping lists of the "supporters".

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/03/2019 07:29

Someone's needs to show Jacinta Ardern's response to many leaders such as TM and Trump and tell this that is how you react to an atrocity.

What has happened in Christchurch is an extraordinary act of unprecedented violence. It has no place in New Zealand. Many of those affected will be members of our migrant communities – New Zealand is their home – they are us.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/03/2019 07:30

Jacinda . Sorry, keep getting nobbled by autocorrect

EweSurname · 15/03/2019 07:33

Justice Secretary David Gauke asked to quit by Tory whips sparking a mutiny by ‘Remain’ Ministers
The Sun can reveal both the Justice Secretary and Richard Harrington were asked to resign over the No Deal rebellion on Wednesday night

www.thesun.co.uk/news/8640262/justice-secretary-david-gauke-asked-to-quit-by-tory-whips-sparking-a-mutiny-by-remain-ministers/

frumpety · 15/03/2019 07:34

Lonely I have visions of her eyes narrowing and her hand reaching for the stapler ………… Wink

LonelyandTiredandLow · 15/03/2019 07:35

frumpety I was going ninja with knitting needles from a carpet bag Wink

mrslaughan · 15/03/2019 07:36

I was going to say - that Jacinda has a statesmenship that is beyond her years - and that NZ has a v safe pair of hands in handling this - but it just seemed trite.
I like the fact in her speech she made it very clear that this kind of thing does not belong in NZ - and therefore the perpetrators don't.
Interesting that one is Australian.....

I (and my NZ friends here) are just devastated by this..... it is beyond words. Fortunately everyone I know in CHCH is safe

lonelyplanetmum · 15/03/2019 07:39

Imagine any of our current right honourable leaders saying the latter part of Jacinda Ahern's sentence:

" violence. It has no place in the UK Many of those affected will be members of our migrant communities –U.K. is their home – they are us."

lonelyplanetmum · 15/03/2019 07:39

Sorry autocorrect Arden