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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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Shambu · 14/03/2019 20:03

So, if Meaningless Vote 3 included an amendment to say that the WA has to be ratified by a PV, does that have any chance of passing? Or would that amendment not stand a chance in the first place?

We'd need a 6 month extension for that. And what if the country voted for WA, then we would be stuck with a deal that nobody agree she with or wants to implement.

I don't think that idea will ressurect.

QueenOfThorns · 14/03/2019 20:04

Maybe both of the last two, Leclerc, if it’s the HoC that tries the chlorine chicken Grin

EweSurname · 14/03/2019 20:07

Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak
Chief Whip abstained because he wanted to retain impartiality btw two sides of Tory party - so didn't vote with the PM - maybe understandable, but kind of unimagineable until this time

Butterymuffin · 14/03/2019 20:10

‘I have my association AGM coming up’ he replied'

There's a special circle of hell waiting for these people.

TalkinPaece · 14/03/2019 20:12

Boris Johnson says Britain will now help Turkey join EU despite using prospect to help win referendum
Which is bullshit because Erdogan has not wanted to join for the last three years

Littlespaces · 14/03/2019 20:12

They probably will suffer as their children will start to ask questions in the future if it turns to shit.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 20:13

‘I have my association AGM coming up’ he replied'
How are these people SO shortsighted? Mind boggles.

DivisionBell · 14/03/2019 20:13

jasjas1973 Sadly Scott Mann is our local MP, and I can vouch for the fact that he is actually that stupid. That thread on Twitter kept me entertained for most of the afternoon.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 20:15

Boris Johnson says Britain will now help Turkey join EU despite using prospect to help win referendum
"Which is bullshit because Erdogan has not wanted to join for the last three years"

Before the GE Boris was pushing for them to join because he had lied to leave voters that there was a chance and he knew it wasn't in the news so I wonder if Turkey realised they were being played, hence the wish to step back away from the batshit UK lot

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 20:16

Sorry, before the ref...not GE.

TalkinPaece · 14/03/2019 20:16

Lonely
Nope, its cos Erdogan has entirely turned his back on Europe
his position in NATO is pretty fragile
Putin has made him a puppet

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 20:18

So EU are likely to allow a longer extension, despite all of their companies preparing and our lack of a new plan/legislation.

If WA doesn't pass presumably we wouldn't get a short one even for the legislation?

If enough MP's abstain...then it's risky but they can't be accused of voting for a shit deal in the future I guess?

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 20:19

I'm still not sure what's going on!

another WA vote by next Wednesday and if passes then extension if EU agree?

If fails...?

yolofish · 14/03/2019 20:19

Meaningful Vote: definition of an oxymoron?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 20:19

Makes sense Talk1n although I'd say a few of our own MP's have suffered the same fate vis-a-vis Russia.

My friend may have turned up with wine a couple of hours ago Grin. Just catching up.

Littlespaces · 14/03/2019 20:20

Boris will push for whatever gets Boris promoted.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 20:23

This is what I was thinking of Talk1ng. Why is he obsessed with Turkey?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 14/03/2019 20:26

Sorry @TalkinPaece missed/forgot NC.
Should probably make a coffee here Grin

jasjas1973 · 14/03/2019 20:27

@DivisionBell Yes he is mine too! as you know, he is a former postman and has done well to become an MP but i think he has exceeded his abilities, shocking that he was once in the cabinet.

Brexitiers don't like being called stupid/thick but with people like Mann on their side, they aren't helping themselves!

The stuff on FB has had me in stitches, he'll never live this down.

TalkinPaece · 14/03/2019 20:28

Lonely
My name changes a teeny bit every month Smile
BJ's family are Turkish

PestyMachtubernahme · 14/03/2019 20:30

The bookies are thinking this may take a while

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
colouringinpro · 14/03/2019 20:31

Pesty can you please explain the odds to me?!

SwedishEdith · 14/03/2019 20:37

Which is bullshit

Oh, I know it's bullshit. It was more to point out the bs from both Mordaunt and Johnson.

I've been looking at my MP's voting (Remain result here) and she appears to have gone full ERG. She has absolutely no mandate for that from her constituents.

TalkinPaece · 14/03/2019 20:41

I'm really happy with how my MP voted

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 20:42

Just checked my labour mp, despite backing a PV ahead of labour conference, writing an article 100% backing PV in the local paper and previously he resigned as a shadow cabinet minister because he didnt like JC, abstained the PV amendment.

Other labour MPs went for it so it's not like he would have been a lone wolf.

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