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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 18:21

We are so fucked.

icannotremember · 14/03/2019 18:21

Every single discussion I'm following on this on various sites is currently full of people asking what on earth is going on.

confessionsofatrolleydolley · 14/03/2019 18:21

Apologies, that message posted just a touch too late!

prettybird · 14/03/2019 18:23

Seaseasea - I think the current motion (which will pass) is that Government will ask for a short extension provided the HoC vote for the WA (presumably in a 3rd MV Hmm)

Pebble21uk · 14/03/2019 18:23

Thank you dreich

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 18:24

I'm feeling very despondent.

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 18:24

So we are asking for an extension...

(personal massive: yyyyyyeeessss!)

... Over to the EU...

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Seaseasea · 14/03/2019 18:25

Thank you!! But if they vote for the WA why do they need an extension as that’s already agreed? And if they vote against it again that just leaves us back here?
This is a mess. I’m usually quite politically savvy but this whole thing is so confusing to me.

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 18:25

But only if they accept the WA?

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 18:25

government motion:

  • Brexit will be delayed until 30 June if MPs approve the WA by 20 March.

  • If the WA is rejected again, the government will still seek an extension to Article 50, but note the terms of this would be the EU's power

Taking back control ....

prettybird · 14/03/2019 18:25

Fucking hypocrite AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry

icannotremember · 14/03/2019 18:25

This more or less tells Bercow that he has to allow mv3 doesn't it?

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 18:25

leclerc come do mine please im accidentally crap at it.

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 18:26

So all the biz will be annoyed! Just revoke!
Any word from the EU on Twitter yet? (As that sense to be where we debate these days)

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 18:26

Sea Even if the WA is passed, they need several weeks afterwards to debate & pass the enabling legislation for it
(the WAIB)

prettybird · 14/03/2019 18:27

That was aimed at Jeremy Corbyn who has now said he wants a PV in response to the Government's motion passing AngryConfusedAngryConfusedAngryConfusedAngryConfusedAngryConfusedAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 18:27

I feel that Bercow may have been outsmarted this time.

How are the EU going to allow an extension in time? We've given them no chance at all

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 18:28

What happened to the vote on allowing mv3?

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 18:28

He only wants a PV when its not possible
When it is possible, he whips against it

Corbyn the Lexiter

Songsofexperience · 14/03/2019 18:28

No, the path is pretty straight forward: May goes for take 3, either it passes and we get a technical extension to implement the WA or it fails and that's when the proper PV amendment will be voted on. If that passes: longer extension and 2nd ref or it doesn't pass and we're back up shit creek with only revoke as a way out or no deal that's supposedly ruled out...

havingtochangeusernameagain · 14/03/2019 18:29

Well that's a relief.

The EU was going to agree (or not) an extension at the summit next week. I think they will agree. France is opposed, but I think they'll agree - quite a lot of French people are extremely concerned about no deal.

Littlespaces · 14/03/2019 18:29

Chaos again.

Voters put their jobs at risk, old and young are divided and we are an international basket case.

Nobody wins.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 18:29

Boring The amendment on not allowing MV3 was withdrawn by its sponsor

imo he was scared of removing the only option that MPs haven't yet voted against

indistinct · 14/03/2019 18:30

phpolly - will be there too with DC (for all our DCs).

dreichuplands · 14/03/2019 18:31

A lot of expensive business planning and stockpiling as requested by government up in smoke. We are all going to pay for it one way or another.

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