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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 18:11

There is no leave deal that will work for the potteries you mad, cowardly bint!!!!!
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 18:11

Wragg is a teller. Hmmm

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 18:11

I missed it. Was it really by two votes that Benn lost? Bugger.

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 18:12

It's like MPs want the EU to be in charge and choose what to do.

We're feckless please send help.

It's like a bloke doing an intentionally crap job at washing up so their partner comes and does it for them.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 18:12

I thought the Vienna Convention idea had been thoroughly debunked the first time the ERG suggested it ... at least a year ago

Lweji · 14/03/2019 18:12

Oh, it's the same deal for the third time!

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 18:12

@67chevvyimpala wrong thread? Our poor uneducated daughter of a pot bank worker from the other thread?

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 18:13

What is a teller?

dreichuplands · 14/03/2019 18:14

I think a fair chunk of the erg are just hunting desperately for a fig leaf in a privet hedge.

67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 18:14

My reply to ruth smeeth

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 18:14

So this vote is an extension but only if they agree the WA?

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 18:15

{It's like a bloke doing an intentionally crap job at washing up}
My washing up is very good thank you.

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 18:15

I'm lost. Summary so far please? (Driving and D's reading g thread and typing for me!)

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 18:15

Um, MPs need to realise that the default - if they say NO to everything - is not that the EU take over administration of the UK
It's No Deal

I know MNers disapprove of sending tantrumming toddlers to bed without supper, but in this case .....

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 18:16

@67chevvyimpala ah I see. I thought you'd let rip at a poster but got the wrong thread BlushGrin

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 18:16

Jesus wept

If the HoC were a person, its relatives would have decided to get Power of Attorney AngryAngry

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 18:18

popping in briefly.
argh.

Seaseasea · 14/03/2019 18:18

Can someone explain what this means? In idiot terms? My understanding is they rejected Mays deal, then rejected no deal so we have no answer but now they’ve voted against extra time... and against anyone else having a say, and EU have said they won’t negotiate a new deal. So where does that leave us? What is this vote? I’m so confused!

Pebble21uk · 14/03/2019 18:19

Sorry - I've been lurking and watching and trying to get my tiny brain around things!! May be a stupid question, but why did they decide not to vote on the amendment that May can't bring her MV back for a 3rd time?

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 18:19

Boring MPs saying no to every option so far,
including to the option of giving themselves time to decide what they do want Confused Angry

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 18:20

Can someone explain what this means? In idiot terms? My understanding is they rejected Mays deal, then rejected no deal so we have no answer but now they’ve voted against extra time... and against anyone else having a say, and EU have said they won’t negotiate a new deal. So where does that leave us? What is this vote? I’m so confused!

In a handbasket with a one way ticket to hell

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 18:20

So the motion to extend only if the WA gets approved on Wednesday now?
sigh.

confessionsofatrolleydolley · 14/03/2019 18:20

@Seaseasea they've voted against extra time to hold another referendum but they can still pass an amendment allow extra time by delaying brexit to find another way forward, which is what they're voting on now.

dreichuplands · 14/03/2019 18:20

Well with no indicative votes now planned the only thing they currently have to vote on to prevent a no deal is the MV.

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 18:20

Thanks BCF

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