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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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Holidayshopping · 14/03/2019 17:58

What the bloody hell?!

Yamayo · 14/03/2019 17:58

Good for her.

indistinct · 14/03/2019 17:59

phpolly
One example of one of those younger people incase it hasn't been posted already:
mobile.twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1105815685073129472
Reminds us of why the national interest must be fought for. Do something about it: March in London 23rd March, engage with leavers constructively, persuade leavers, write to your MP.

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 17:59

I feel sick. We might have to raid the brexit box for chocolate.
I really don't understand how all this can kicking is allowed. This week should have been pretty decisive and now it's oh we'll have MV3 next week and maybe MV4 the week afterConfused

BiglyBadgers · 14/03/2019 18:01

Nobody wants anything!

It's worse than asking a toddler what they want for dinner. Hmm

GhostofFrankGrimes · 14/03/2019 18:02

Yep, they’ll plough on with the MV.

Backwoodsgirl · 14/03/2019 18:04

No Deal by default looks more likely all the time

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 18:05

Why has Smeeth resigned?

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 18:05

Drinking helps... I am being soothed.

67chevvyimpala · 14/03/2019 18:06

We are soooooo fucked

EweSurname · 14/03/2019 18:06

Sebastian Payne
@SebastianEPayne
16 Tory MPs backed Benn:

  • Guto Bebb
  • Richard Benyon
  • Nick Boles
  • Ken Clarke
  • Jonathan Djanogly
  • George Freeman
  • Justine Greening
  • Dominic Grieve
  • Sam Gyimah
  • Rob Halfon
  • Philip Lee
  • Oliver Letwin
  • Antoinette Sandbach
  • Nick Soames
  • John Stevenson
  • Ed Vaizey

And six Labour MPs went against the Benn amendment:

  • Kevin Barron
  • Ronnie Campbell
  • Stephen Hepburn
  • Kate Hoey
  • John Mann
  • Graham Stringer
Lweji · 14/03/2019 18:07

Surely, if the house voted for no no-deal, May should be forced to ask for an extension anyway, no? Too simple for the UK Parliament?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 18:07

@RuthSmeeth
I've resigned from Labour's front bench this evening in order to vote against a second referendum. This was a difficult decision but I have a duty to support the will of my constituents. We need to leave, and leave with a deal that works for the Potteries

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 18:07

So MPs voted against being able to decide what they want to do ... Confused

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 18:07

Fuck

Lweji · 14/03/2019 18:08

Bloody hell

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 18:08

ayes 302, noes 318 (waited till I saw it on screen this time).

But that was JCs crap amendment

Loletta · 14/03/2019 18:09

But Labour whipped against a second referendum so why did she rwsign??Confused

phpolly · 14/03/2019 18:09

indistinct. thank you! I'm marching!!

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 18:09

Ok. Another bites the dust. Poor JC.

Main gov motion extend article 50 in agreement with the EU.

CordeliaEarhart · 14/03/2019 18:09

Labour whipped to abstain.

Lweji · 14/03/2019 18:10

But Labour whipped against a second referendum so why did she rwsign??

They were supposed to abstain, I think

phpolly · 14/03/2019 18:10

sorry marching for remain!!!!

Lweji · 14/03/2019 18:10

I don't have it. What does the government motion say?

FingonTheValiant · 14/03/2019 18:10

I think Labour told them to abstain on that vote.

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