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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:52

Ffs

Songsofexperience · 14/03/2019 17:53

Oh sorry did I mishear? I thought 312 for the ayes?

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 17:53

312 ! To 314! 2!

Yamayo · 14/03/2019 17:53

Shit

phpolly · 14/03/2019 17:53

TWO VOTES?!?!?

Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:53

Is there a delay on Sky?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 17:53

apologies, I misheard

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 14/03/2019 17:53

What? What?

We don’t want No Deal. We don’t want the Deal. We don’t want to be allowed to decide what we do want?

Confused
RhubarbCrumbled · 14/03/2019 17:53

Ayes or noes?

TokyoSushi · 14/03/2019 17:54

I think that's an accurate summing up @SingingBabooshkaBadly

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 17:54

Ok... I need a drink.

Songsofexperience · 14/03/2019 17:54

I give up...

boldlygoingsomewhere · 14/03/2019 17:54

FFS!

Lweji · 14/03/2019 17:55

This will be the one, though. Give more time to discuss Brexit. With no deadline. The EU will love it if it wins.

But, what happens with no no-deal, no deal, no extension, no nothing?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 17:55

In fairness I was wondering why so many abstainers Blush

TatianaLarina · 14/03/2019 17:55

Meanwhile, according to the Guardian JRM and his ERG mates are still harping on about the Vienna Convention and trying to find a way to break the WA.

Stephen Barclay, the Brexit secretary, replied that the UK would be able to terminate the withdrawal agreement “if the facts clearly warranted that there had been an unforeseen and fundamental change of circumstances affecting the essential basis of the treaty on which the United Kingdom’s consent had been given”.

An ERG source said that had Cox’s final legal advice said as much “it could have changed the vote”.

A number of leading lawyers have questioned the plan. The QC Martin Howe, who was the only non-MP to be appointed to the ERG’s “star chamber” of lawyers who looked at Cox’s legal advice ahead of the meaningful vote earlier this week, said the idea was a non-starter.

Howe told the Standard that the use of the convention required a “radical change of circumstances” and said that the international court of justice had considered “the fall of the Soviet Union, disappearance of the Warsaw Pact and dissolution of Czechoslovakia, were not sufficient to satisfy this ground”.

The ERG is to ask Howe and other lawyers to examine the proposal over the coming days, but their advice will not necessarily be published. One source in the group sounded pessimistic that it could win broad support. “No UK government is ever going to break a treaty anyway,” the source said.

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BollocksToBrexit · 14/03/2019 17:55

Have the had the vote about allowing another meaningful vote yet?

Yamayo · 14/03/2019 17:55

Party politics again.
Ministers more interested in their jobs than the future of the country.

Loletta · 14/03/2019 17:55

Nooooooo! 😭

Songsofexperience · 14/03/2019 17:56

I have to say it is hilariously absurd. The House of Silly Walks more like.

MyNameIsArthur · 14/03/2019 17:56

Have the had the vote about allowing another meaningful vote yet

Not yet

BeardedMum · 14/03/2019 17:57

What will happen now?

Yamayo · 14/03/2019 17:57

If TM stands up at the end of the night and talks about a 'clear mandate' I will scream.

dreichuplands · 14/03/2019 17:57

What singing said.
They are actually going to have to make choices at some point or they end up with the no deal they voted against.

FriendOrFaux · 14/03/2019 17:57

Ruth Smeeth resigned

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