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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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Lweji · 14/03/2019 17:42

Just what I was thinking. This coming and going is doing my head in.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 17:43

The whips want to easily see who is voting Yes / No
Also could be hacked

Yamayo · 14/03/2019 17:43

All part of the pageant.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 17:43

In fact, if we had electronic voting, I wouldn't trust either May or the ERG not to fix the vote

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 17:44

The commentary does my head in as I haven't got a huge tv and can't see who is anywhere near Bercow and there's the on screen stuff that blocks the view of the bottom too.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 17:44

I don't want electronic voting in GEs either, because of danger of vote-fixing
The old methods are more transparent and less easy - not impossible - to fix

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 17:45

DS loves "Division! Close the doors!"

He thinks it's Hilarious.

He likes Mr Speaker.

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 17:46

Good that you're training up DS to be a capable political analyst, red Wink

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 17:47

I've banished my 3 because they are being deliberately annoying as they know I'm trying to watch and listen and keep up on here too.

Wonnacott35 · 14/03/2019 17:47

Sarah Wollaston is on saying if they can't agreed to anything but a No deal, then the country will never forgive them. Do they honestly think the country can forgive them for any of this shit show.

BestIsWest · 14/03/2019 17:47

Just revoke ffs.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2019 17:48

I find it amusing too

All part of the pantomime - if it wasn’t so bloody tense-making

Not watching so no idea where we’re at

Lweji · 14/03/2019 17:48

I'm doing no work at all. Ups.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 14/03/2019 17:48

A late thank you Red.

Have been out all day and didn’t realise voting was happening so early. Need to read back to find out what I’ve missed Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 17:48

Brexit spokesperson for Tiggers, Soubry:

"This is a betrayal of Labour Party members and voters, Labour MPs, Labour’s conference policy and, most importantly, the British public.

"The Labour Party leadership are determined to deliver Brexit, which would harm our country.

“But The Independent Group will not give up.
We will keep up the pressure for a People’s Vote on the final Brexit deal.

"We’ll keep holding the Government to account and providing the real opposition our country needs.
The British people deserve the final say on Brexit.”

HazardGhost · 14/03/2019 17:48

Not logically understanding labour abstaining for the PV because of Benn amendment...stinks of we didn't suggest it so we don't like it

After courgette tweets during the summer I really, really, fucking hate JC and this just reaffirms it.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 17:49

DD loves DIVISION too. But shes decided the lure of watching TV upstairs and leaving me alone is far more appealing. DS isn't fussed!

IrenetheQuaint · 14/03/2019 17:49

Mr Speaker is certainly loving the situation Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 17:50

Mr Speaker is a star in Germany and other countries too, I hear Grin

tobee · 14/03/2019 17:50

Funny the way I can't stand Corbyn but love Keir Starmer. 🤔

Songsofexperience · 14/03/2019 17:51

It failed by 3 😕

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 17:51

I'm amazed if this lot can decide what to have for dinner with their indecisiveness

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 17:51

ayes: 212 noes:314
bugger

tobee · 14/03/2019 17:52

Why did that lose???

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