So May has lost the vote. Now what?!

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Lost it by a big margin - 391 to 242.

Please, God, that means we're nearer to staying in the EU.

Just checking the news about May's plan now

"Tariffs will be cut to zero on 87% of imports to the UK as part of a temporary no-deal plan but prices of some imports including meat, shoes, underpants and cars will go up."

Interesting list.

UK will cut most tariffs to zero in event of no-deal Brexit

Knee-jerk, panic response, which is nice to know, but what about the need to inspect cargo?
And would it apply unilaterally or would other countries follow suit in the absence of any established agreements?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/13/brexit-tariffs-on-87-of-uk-imports-cut-to-zero-in-temporary-no-deal-plan

Also:

"Carolyn Fairbairn, the director general of the Confederation of British Industry, described the prospect of no deal as a “sledgehammer for the economy”."

"“This tells us everything that is wrong with a no-deal scenario. What we are hearing is the biggest change in terms of trade this country has faced since the mid-19th century being imposed on this country with no consultation with business, no time to prepare,” she told the BBC’s Today programme."

"“This is no way to run a country. What we potentially are going to see is this imposition of new terms of trade at the same time as business is blocked out of its closest trading partner. This is a sledgehammer for our economy.”"

"The National Farmers Union president, Minette Batters, said it was “relieved” that tariffs would be imposed on imported food to protect farmers but it was “appalling” that the tariff regime was published only 16 days before the potential cliff-edge departure from the EU"

Surely a 2nd referendum would pose a question with more specific options

Not possible as would be accused of being rigged.

If there is a 2nd referendum the question would have to be same as first otherwise you are not comparing like with like

Nearly 50 million of the UK population didn't vote for this and right now it looks like a disaster. I say 2nd referendum ...a binding referendum ... and lower voting age to 16. Good chunk of the 17 million that voted for this mess are dead now!

The turnout at 2016 referendum was 33.5 million. So where does 50 million come from

MissedTheBoatAgain
Surely a 2nd referendum would pose a question with more specific options

Not possible as would be accused of being rigged.
If there is a 2nd referendum the question would have to be same as first otherwise you are not comparing like with like

A second referendum doesn't need to be like with like. This is not a controlled experiment. A 2nd referendum could be done for all sorts of questions. It could even not have the Remain option.

How would it be rigged in any way?

*The turnout at 2016 referendum was 33.5 million. So where does 50 million come from

The 50 million was the people who didn't vote at all (for whatever reason) or didn't vote for Brexit.

I would think I would want a majority of registered voters for something with the impact of Brexit, rather than just a simple majority. Or 2/3 of actual voters.

We we put up with rationing for 9 years after the War because we had been fighting an evil regime which slaughtered millions. Not much comparison with surviving because 40 or so greedy selfish men in the Tory party made a PM's life difficult.

Really Missed ought to understand that, having self-identified as a greedy selfish man, who pays as little tax as possible, but doesn't bother to live here.

I would think I would want a majority of registered voters for something with the impact of Brexit, rather than just a simple majority. Or 2/3 of actual voters.

...some of the safeguards which would have had to have been put in place if Parliament hadn't been assured, prior to approving the 2016 referendum, that it was advisory only.

When leaving without a deal is voted down I think she will bring her deal back and I then think it will pass. I think MPs will vote for it rather than losing Brexit altogether.

I can't bear the thought of seeing her smug, gloating face if that happens.

The WA IS Brexiting. The WA is not a 'deal' as such, but a carefully drafted and when signed, legally binding way for the UK to leave the EU.

...some of the safeguards which would have had to have been put in place if Parliament hadn't been assured, prior to approving the 2016 referendum, that it was advisory only.

Indeed...

I think MPs will vote for it rather than losing Brexit altogether.

I don't know - not all MPs represent Leave constituencies, and if there is evidence to say that opinions have changed among the electorate then those who were Remainers at least might be bold enough to vote for what they believe is the good of the country. Those representing predominantly Leave constituencies might begin to start explaining why their Leave vote wasn't in their interests: job losses and NHS starved of funds ought to concentrate a few minds.

I think she might get the ERG on board this time - she'd still be short though.

I don't think there should be a quorum / minimum % for a second vote as this wasn't set the first time and if the result is for remain, but doesn't get to the minimum % requirement, then it's been a fruitless exercise. And I'm not sure remain can be confident that they'd get 66-75% of the result.

I think the questions should be different, as in WA vs remain, but otherwise it needs to be on the same playing field as that's the 'fairest' way of doing it.

No Deal will bring the country to its knees within weeks.

Revoke would cause stress but much less

Extension will only be granted if the HoC can get its act together

so it all comes down to Brenda kicking TM hard enough on the shins

I would love a second referendum if it would deliver a remain outcome but I doubt it will. When you have people like the stupid old bastard on the radio this morning talking about surviving on rabbits and potatoes then it shows the mentality of some of people who would vote for no deal.

If there is a second referendum the options should be the negotiated WA or remain. That is when we should have had the referendum and what the question should have been in the first place IMO. No deal isn’t a viable option so shouldn’t be put to the people.

You don’t put every option to “the people” that they might vote for because frankly “the people” are too thick and the risk of them voting for a calamitous option is too great.

I am sure “the people” would vote on favour of the death penalty if they had the choice. They’re never going to get the choice. Why? Because the gov/Parliament believe that would be a wrong choice to make.

The only reason BoJo and his band of merry dickwads are still banging on about no deal being fine is...they know it will never be allowed to happen. Unfortunately they are given unchallenged airtime and Paul down the pub believes every word they say. And on it goes.

IF There is a second referendum
(a) it needs to be legally binding and thus covered by full electoral law the June 2016 one would have been declared null and void because of so many breaches of the legislation
(b) A clear margin limit needs to be set in
(c) 16 and 17 year olds need the vote as it is their future that is at stake
(d) the question needs to clarify exactly what is being asked.

{I would love a second referendum if it would deliver a remain outcome but I doubt it will}
A second referendum would only confirm the view of the UK voters now and as such is not directly coupled to the one of only 3 choices the UK has.

{I am sure “the people” would vote on favour of the death penalty if they had the choice. They’re never going to get the choice. Why? Because the gov/Parliament believe that would be a wrong choice to make.}

This possibility has already been expressed by the ERG, along with scrapping worker rights and many other things that most in the UK would prefer to keep.

Well as we're up shit creek without a paddle what if we left with no deal and actually we were ok? It's hypothetical don't shoot me! I would love nothing more for the UK to be successful after this debacle. Our government should be disbanded they are all awful self serving tosspots.

The People are fucking stupid, gullible, tired, busy, and malleable.

I really hope David Cameron rots and burns for eternity for being such a momentous fool.

Disclaimer: I am pissed off after reading (possible webbot) comments on Facebook.

The Rowntree Foundation produced a very interesting report looking at who voted for brexit and why.

They showed the more highly educated the voter the less likely they were to vote for brexit. Education was the biggest predictor

I also seem to remember that brexit supporters correlated with supporters of capital punishment.

Same mindset.

I recommend reading the report in full.

No deal isn't going to make the world stop overnight, and any difficulties will be blamed on the EU, so many people will feel it's all "okay".

Most of us who aren't already on the edge will survive any new, more oppressive and expensive regime, and we'll get used to it in time - humans adapt remarkably well.

But it's so fucking annoying that we have to.

But it's so fucking annoying that we have to

Not as fucking annoying as it is for the people who are already on the edge!

Sorry, continued from above....

"..there are sharp divides in the level of support for Brexit between people who hold socially liberal views and those who hold socially conservative views. As Figure 2 shows, people in favour of the death penalty and harsher prison sentences in general, and who are against equal opportunities for women and homosexuals are much more likely to support leave – to the tune of around 50 percentage points. This suggests that an underlying differences in the values that people hold are important to making sense of why some people were attracted to vote leave"..

www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-low-skills-and-lack-opportunities