Westminstenders: Here we go again

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Vote 12th March: Meaningful Vote on the Withdrawal Agreement

Vote 13th March: If WA fails, vote on No Deal

Vote 14th March: If WA fails, vote on A50 extension

Not much more to add at this stage that's not repeating what's been said before.

We don't have the time to put legislation through before B.day regardless.

It's going to be a No Deal.

She already tried to get what the HoC wanted last time:
a backstop that wasn't one

Probably the same this time
The EU still won't give it

lonelyandtired The only extension the EU would be certain to give, would be if the WA passes, even on 28 March

• a few weks to get the WAIB passed

The time for ‘setting out the kind of Brexit Deal that would be suitable to the Tories’ is so 2 years ago. Not 5 mins before the curtain.

Preposterous.

My money is on extension.

The swing against granting an extension started after May whipped against her own WA, to demand the backstop be neutered

However, feeling against extension has rocketed the last month or so in key EU circles

Now with Manfred Weber (EPP leader) joining in, the HoC would probably have to present the EU with more than wishful thinking,
whether from Remainers or Leavers,
to get unanimous approval for an extension

There would have to be a definite plan
probably for a PV, since the EU might think a GE wouldn't help them

(the UK can always call a GE, but without an extension it would mean an automatic No Deal unless May Revoked)

There is no enthusiasm in the EU to extend and renegotiate
They say negotiate something new during transition

The idea of "something acceptable to the Tories" - at least most of them - was in the Kyle-Wilson amendment:

voting for the WA in exchange for a WA vs Remain PV.

Both May and Corbyn are on record as favouring only a short extension, to avoid EP elections
So that means only until about 20 May at the latest.

That obviously gives no time to renegotiate the WA
Just enough to modify the aim of PD to something softer,
or for May to keep trying her WA again

There’s no EU enthusiasm for Brexit anything at this point. But we’re all stuck in this quagmire.

There’s even less enthusiasm for No Deal than extension. It’s the lesser of two evils.

I don’t think what May wants will count for much longer.

You can store diesel I believe.

whereare I think I asked that and was told not to... Where I live i'm likely to be blocked in by cars stuck from Dover

An electric car is the only solution

Government now admits talks with EU broke down at weekend, deadlock and no changes to WA agreed. TM is going to pull the vote again oh yes she is, aaaaaarrrrrgh!

Tbh I just want to see loads of resignations from all sides happening. If this country has to go down the chute then I want parliament to blow itself up too!

I bet the vote will be delayed again too.

bellinisurge Talking my type 1 niece got to spend three days in ICU last year due to DKA brought about by a mild infection. However well controlled diabetes is, it has the potential to go very wrong. I'd like to see a deputy PM.

The deputy PM is usually someone pretty useless in post to keep some sort of fake balance. John Prescott, anyone? Nick Clegg?

David Lidington is doing the job, under a different title. Minister for the Cabinet Office and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.

Yes, Liddington is in effect Deputy PM and is a "safe pair of hands"

In fact, he's the Tory I'd prefer to become leader, assuming an obvious Remainer like Grieve would never get in

PMQ from Jan 2018
Lidington vs Thornberry
Interesting bit at about 17 mins where it is said that we are leaving the single market and customs union (Amber Rudd's eyebrows are a sight to behold here). Ian Blackford corrects him, but have they been planning for a no-deal forever.

Anyone else get the feeling the knife crime surge and football hooligan incident is the start in a long line of crumbling social order?

I'm wondering whether it's the far right attacking minorities and people who are close to them as publicly as they can to start trends... Possibly a little tin foil, but I wouldn't be surprised if they can't contain themselves until B.day, esp with recent talk of an extension.

Woke up to a fantasist on Radio 4 insisting that the MPS should write their own demands and they should be presented to the EU.
WTF does he think has been happening already?
He also suggested once again that a technology led border isn't really a border, it's just a boundary between jurisdictions, or summat like that. I wasn't really awake.

Re the deal/no deal
I was thinking on this yesterday.If UK had accepted a deal, any deal, govt knew it was "remain minus" as Jess Phillips says. So, to make the history books and commentators more forgiving/sympathetic they had to make sure officially no deal could be "agreed". What they hope is forgotten is that it was their red lines etc that started this. Ergo if we suffer it was more "not through want of trying but at least we didn't take a bad deal" etc etc regardless of how much better for the average Joe any deal would have been.

oh yes, he said that EU preparations are well underway and they are going to unilaterally let aviation etc continue, so all we need to do is make that bilateral.

Woke up to a fantasist on Radio 4 insisting that the MPS should write their own demands and they should be presented to the EU.

This is why I no longer listen to R4 in the morning. Listening to this sort of tosh just not a good start to my day.