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Westminstenders: Waiting for the vote that never comes

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RedToothBrush · 04/03/2019 21:11

March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
March 13th: Vote on No Deal if WA fails to pass on the 12th
March 14th: Vote on an a50 extension.

The March 14th vote is the most important, though the others are still important and we have no idea how nuclear the ERG or the moderates will ultimately go in terms of blowing the Tory Party apart.

Even if May's Deal does pass we need an extension. We've known this a long time, from a British POV, but the EU have now explicitly said that they will need a technical extension to ratify the WA if we now approve it. We also need an extension if we decide to go for No Deal because we will have legal chaos as the HoC hasn't passed the necessary legislation for No Deal either. But this isn't the EU's problem...

With feelings in the EU becoming more bitter the idea of an extension might be more difficult to come by, if May hasn't passed the WA by the 29th March though.

The EU and May are therefore both aligned with a mutual interest to get the WA passed by 29th March for this reason. Which might mean the EU do play tough on granting us an extension (at least initially) if we formally ask for one on the 14th March in order to help persuade the HoC vote for May's deal before the deadline of the 29th March.

I think we should expect the WA to fail to pass on the 12th March. There just aren't the numbers for it. Then hardball politics from the EU commence on the 14th - it might well be a long extension or nothing. May will then try and do MV3 before the 29th March. If it passes, May's happy and the EU are happy. If it fails... well... I think the EU might give way to a shorter extension at that point, but very begrudgingly. And the idea will be for MV4 or the July cliff edge.

Until then we sit waiting forever for the sun to start going around the earth and for pigs to fall out of the sky.

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pollyannaperspective · 07/03/2019 13:20

Louise missing the metaphor?

prettybird · 07/03/2019 13:24

Watched All Out Politics and saw and eejit of an ERG Derby MP discounting comments from Toyota as scaremongering and that once they have certainty when we leave on 29 March, they'll be able to sort something out Shock

Didn't recognise her, but fortunately @Haggis_UK tweeted the extract.

Haggis_UK #FBPE 🇬🇧 🇪🇺
@Haggis_UK

#skynews - Do you think Toyota is #ProjectFear... they can't guarantee the plant in the event of a #NoDeal?

Pauline Latham - They say that, but they have done very well in Derby.. once they have the certainty of a #NoDeal they will be able to adjust. 🤔

#FinalSay #PeoplesVote

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1103594476419932160

The self-delusion is strong in this one SadAngry

pollyannaperspective · 07/03/2019 13:27

Louise do you read everything literally?

pollyannaperspective · 07/03/2019 13:28

See also Conservative manifesto saying we would continue to be in the Single Market.

DGRossetti · 07/03/2019 13:30

LouiseCollins28

Thanks for that - now I remember. It is a colourful metaphor isn't it ? Sort of thing that would get marks in creative writing.

prettybird · 07/03/2019 13:36

Just so that people are aware of the context of the metaphor (need to be clear for those. that. don't. understand. metaphors. It. a. figure. of. speech. in. which. a. word. or. phrase. is. applied. to. an. object. or. action. to. which. it. is. not. literally. applicable. ), here it is....

“If that means making Jeremy better, I’ll roll my sleeves up. If that’s not going to happen – and I’ve said [this] to him and to his staff to their faces: ‘The day that ... you are hurting us more than you are helping us, I won’t knife you in the back, I’ll knife you in the front.’”

1tisILeClerc · 07/03/2019 13:39

Given the times and circumstances Jess made a very inappropriate comment. 20 years ago it's significance would have had a less abrupt inference.

Meanwhile we await any plans that Leavers might have about the rapidly improving economy after the UK leaves in 3 weeks and EU focused industry departs.
The plan had better be a good one otherwise the UK will be crawling to the IMF for a loan, as it did in the '70's.

DGRossetti · 07/03/2019 13:40

People who don't get metaphors are like fish without bicycles.

TheElementsSong · 07/03/2019 13:41

Re: taking violent language literally:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/22/tories-identify-mps-vile-language-theresa-may-yvette-cooper

DGRossetti · 07/03/2019 13:45

taking violent language literally

I thought it was going to be a quote from the Bible ....

prettybird · 07/03/2019 13:47

Just to be clear: that comment wasn't made today or even in the last 6 months. It was made in December 2015

TalkinPaece · 07/03/2019 13:48

So few days to go
the simplest option now surely has to be Revoke
come on Brenda

DGRossetti · 07/03/2019 13:50

Just to be clear: that comment wasn't made today or even in the last 6 months. It was made in December 2015

Why I had forgotten it. As did the people who voted for her. Still it proved a distraction from asking Leavers what the Big Idea is.

1tisILeClerc · 07/03/2019 13:55

There is a horrible pierce on the BBC website about a German girl who was stabbed last year and the far right 'assumed' it was an Islamic or immigrant attack and caused a lot of fuss.
Eventually the police solved the crime and it was neither, but a lad who had taken it on himself to kill her to find out what would happen.

The world is taking a significant downturn it seems.

jasjas1973 · 07/03/2019 13:56

Jess Phillips, the one who threatens to stab her leader? yeah full of guts that one!

Well, she is up front and saying what she thinks of JC.... she normally gives straight answers, unlike most MPs

SusanWalker · 07/03/2019 14:03

I love Jess Phillips. "Everything is remain minus" just sums it all up really.

DGRossetti · 07/03/2019 14:04

There is a horrible pierce on the BBC website about a German girl who was stabbed last year and the far right 'assumed' it was an Islamic or immigrant attack and caused a lot of fuss. Eventually the police solved the crime and it was neither, but a lad who had taken it on himself to kill her to find out what would happen.

Sadly nothing new in that Sad

SusanWalker · 07/03/2019 16:28

This is from led by donkeys. Just brilliant. They've driven it past Tufton street too.

Westminstenders: Waiting for the vote that never comes
BigChocFrenzy · 07/03/2019 16:45

Best ever ! 😂😂
Love it !

DGRossetti · 07/03/2019 16:52

L.K. Bennet gone under.

No idea if it's significant or not, but the BBC thought so ....

TalkinPaece · 07/03/2019 16:54

Ye gods.
Just saw somebody on the "Best for Britain" FB page assuming that "No Deal" = "No Brexit"

DGRossetti · 07/03/2019 16:57

Ye gods. Just saw somebod on the "Best for Britain" FB page assuming that "No Deal" = "No Brexit"

It's been a bit of a trope on these threads that some people - despite copious news coverage - confuse the two very different situations.

It's rather a disincentive for a PV ....

GeistohneGrenzen · 07/03/2019 16:58

TIP perhaps that's the mistake Tresemme's making too? Hmm

HazardGhost · 07/03/2019 17:05

I'm just writing something so I can PMK further along now I've skim read caught up.

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