Westminstenders: Waiting for the vote that never comes

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March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
March 13th: Vote on No Deal if WA fails to pass on the 12th
March 14th: Vote on an a50 extension.

The March 14th vote is the most important, though the others are still important and we have no idea how nuclear the ERG or the moderates will ultimately go in terms of blowing the Tory Party apart.

Even if May's Deal does pass we need an extension. We've known this a long time, from a British POV, but the EU have now explicitly said that they will need a technical extension to ratify the WA if we now approve it. We also need an extension if we decide to go for No Deal because we will have legal chaos as the HoC hasn't passed the necessary legislation for No Deal either. But this isn't the EU's problem...

With feelings in the EU becoming more bitter the idea of an extension might be more difficult to come by, if May hasn't passed the WA by the 29th March though.

The EU and May are therefore both aligned with a mutual interest to get the WA passed by 29th March for this reason. Which might mean the EU do play tough on granting us an extension (at least initially) if we formally ask for one on the 14th March in order to help persuade the HoC vote for May's deal before the deadline of the 29th March.

I think we should expect the WA to fail to pass on the 12th March. There just aren't the numbers for it. Then hardball politics from the EU commence on the 14th - it might well be a long extension or nothing. May will then try and do MV3 before the 29th March. If it passes, May's happy and the EU are happy. If it fails... well... I think the EU might give way to a shorter extension at that point, but very begrudgingly. And the idea will be for MV4 or the July cliff edge.

Until then we sit waiting forever for the sun to start going around the earth and for pigs to fall out of the sky.

The EU are sufficiently adult that if it is in their interests to let the Uk rejoin under current terms, then they will do so.

Not sure that it is particularly.

They’ll let us rejoin but I doubt it will be on exactly the same terms.

I don’t think it’s in EU interests to allow us to cause so much aggro and be accepted back as if nothing had changed. It would just encourage other countries.

Actions have consequences. If you throw away the best deal you could possibly get, terms that were negotiated because the EU were keen to secure the U.K. cooperation in its inception, chances are you may not get offered that again.

With the constant slagging off and disrespectful language coming from UK senior politicians and the gutter press, it would be easy to think the UK will never trade with the EU again. Mrs May pronouncing she wants a close and meaningful relationship with the EU while her cabinet ministers are telling them to 'sling their hook' is a strange negotiating tactic.

If you are wanting to discus a pay rise, punching your boss in the face is now the usual way to start.

Now should have been NOT obviously, but on reflection, perhaps it is relevant.

Karen Bradley (NI Sec) stating that any death at the hands of soldiers/police or security services are "not crimes" is sure to help the peace process.

What on earth has happened to this country that across Parliament we've got people in power who are fucking idiots?

Jaysus, as if they couldn’t get even fuckwitted than they already are.
I have no words.

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/labour-hq-staff-threaten-strike-action-after-rejecting-below-inflation-pay-offer_uk_5c801277e4b06ff26ba51716/?__twitter_impression=true
Labour HQ Staff Threaten Strike Action After Rejecting Below-Inflation Pay Offer
Pay row 'embarrassing' for Corbyn.

Staff in London and Newcastle are particularly furious that they are not being offered real-terms pay rises given the financial windfall from the huge influx of new members following Corbyn’s leadership elections.

And

Several insiders point to the big losses from the LabourLive festival held in London last year, as well as a major expansion of community organisers across the country. Staff recruitment is already frozen in a desperate bid to save money.

Brewery. Piss up. Organisation.

It's amazing that given how bad the Tories are atm, that Labour just go 'hold my beer, I can fuck this up more'.

It's desperate and depressing.

What happened to our political talent? When did it die out?

{AT PMQs dumb and dumber were trying to use the recent stabbings in political point scoring. It seems they forget that teenagers and young adults are being killed. And it is happening all the time now.}
SKY news seems to be reporting the stabbings almost daily, perhaps it is about 5 a week. Together with deaths due to varieties of car incidents, some of which involve police driving/chasing. Not a good look for the English tourist board to have to counter.
Karen Bradley, is she still in post? Has she worked out where NI is yet?

Perhaps as a society, we need to look at how, with 100s of stabbings of black youths, over a number of years, it took the stabbing & murder of a white girl guide and a white grammar school boy before this issue has finally hit the headlines?

This map shows the difference between Mays Stronger town Fund and the EU structural Funds per region, this is how much each region is losing out on because of brexit.

Sorry, just joined this thread and not read all of it so apologies if this has already been discussed.

I read somewhere this morning that there could be a Commons vote on TM deal with the promise that if it gets through there will then be a referendum with the options of TM deal or Remain.

Is there any likelihood of this?

Had a chat with my Dad just now.
He could not quite believe that No Deal was the default result.
He wondered how on earth the UK got itself back in 1970's style manufacturing and processes
all because Tresemme is a stubborn bigot

PS he's petrified that the Donald will get another term

PPS he hopes that Brenda will ignore hundreds of years of protocol and take the reins in the UKs hour of need
(our family were AT the original Tea Party FFS)

and the exhaust is scraping along the road behind us.

The exhaust fell off my car, as I was driving along, once. I remember it well - a lovely summer's evening ... 23.06.2016

turns out my car was just predicting the future.

Lol Pretzels. Makes such a noise doesn't it?

Have just seen a rumour on Twitter that May is considering pulling the no deal and extension votes next week if she loses narrowly.

Christopher Hope
‏*@christopherhope*

Latest rumour: Theresa May could pull the vote on 'no deal' on Wednesday and to extend Brexit on Thursday if she narrowly loses the meaningful vote on Tuesday, MPs say.
A draft plan for low key debates has been drafted by officials for Wednesday and Thursday if votes are pulled.

This would allow a third meaningful vote the following week just days before Brexit day, following in swift succession by the no deal and extension votes.

One MP tells me: “They want to pull it and have another go.”

Have just seen a rumour on Twitter that May is considering pulling the no deal and extension votes next week if she loses narrowly.

If she did that, would she have some of her MPs defect to the IG ?

Didn't Yvette Cooper put her amendment through precisely because she didn't trust the PM to follow through with her promises of the No Deal and extension votes? Doesn't that count for something?

This would allow a third meaningful vote

How come MPs get to vote again and again?

Ffs no. These votes are all for naught!

PMK

Sounds like Theresa May just does whatever the fuck she wants really

Did the NI SoS really say that any death at the hands of soldiers/police or security services are "not crimes"

Is that govt policy for the whole UK, say if the army shoot dead 14 Leavers for wearing yellow vests,
or is it just OK to kill demonstrators in NI ?

That's with the background of charges probably being brought against soldiers for Bloody Sunday
I wonder if this is the preamble for squashing the charges, to pacify Tory MPs and the DUP ?

A positive of Brexit - it has highlighted just quite how much we need constitutional reform.

So this is democracy is it? Tm just changing things all the time, paying no attention to MPs votes, calling more votes, and be really just fucking about?
I am so angry.