The Magic Brexit Money Tree

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...Children! Lollipops! Lollipops if you vote for my deal!

I would also ask if you have objections to the ISDS court system that most trade deals have?

prettybird

You mention Glasgow but they had quite a low turn-out for the EU Referendum - only 56% voted.
Was that due to referendum fatigue or disinterest?

Ds2's school has a very diverse mix of nationalities - which we like - but it's a fee paying school (we are middle class, not wealthy).
He's been learning 2 European languages for 3 years (he's 10) and Ds1 speaks 3 European languages up to GCSE level.

None of the leave voters I know are racists - some of them are married to European nationals and all of them socialise with foreigners of every nationality and colour.

In middle class areas that voted leave - I think there's a fear of European poverty coming to the UK, not racism or fear of other nationalities.

European poverty is highlighted in the media and with the obvious increase in begging, gypsy camps, homelessness etc.The idea of a points based immigration system would seem to alleviate that fear - whilst still being able to enjoy the company of middle class Europeans.

The UK has some of the most deprived boroughs in Northern and Western Europe.

Your post there Clav shows your xenophobia towards Eastern Europeans.

Immigration most certainly was the driving force behind leave, as well as blaming immigration for things that it is not responsible for. As you do.

Your post there Clav shows your xenophobia towards Eastern Europeans.

You obviously haven't read my post correctly.

Immigration most certainly was the driving force behind leave, as well as blaming immigration for things that it is not responsible for. As you do.

Where have I done that?

When you talk about bringing European poverty here, you make an implication about the type of EU immigrant and the reasons that they move here.

I know your critical thinking isn't up to much, but really you should be able to understand that.

BTW the groups you identified as problems are not here under FOM treaty rights and we could remove them if we chose to do so.

Sorry to disappoint you Boris but I count several Eastern Europeans amongst my relatives - they have professional jobs and degrees.One of my friends is Bulgarian - we have been on holiday together.

But I admit that I am not a socialist - neither are they.

Interestingly though - over 200 employees at the European Medicines Agency signed a letter requesting that the agency was not moved to one of the Eastern European countries bidding because they were not liberal enough in their outlook.

" but I count several Eastern Europeans amongst my relatives "

I can't be racist some of my best friends are black.

Cliche dear, cliche.

But it still doesn't rebut my point, by saying you are worried about European poverty coming here, you make an inference about the type of immigrant you think is coming here and why.

Ignoring as usual the fact that EU immigrants are less likely to be on benefits than UK nationals of the same age, and are net tax contributors.

This interest in the destination of the EMA is a squirrel. They've left the UK,, taking hundreds of apparently irrelevant jobs (and associated business) with them. Whether they've gone to Amsterdam or the Moon, the point is that they've left.

A bit like how people voted to Leave the EU, and whenever they get asked for details of what a workable Brexit should be like, we're supposed to be fully satisfied with the answer "It's perfectly clear and you're unreasonable to want further information - we just want to Leave!"

"over 200 employees at the European Medicines Agency signed a letter requesting that the agency was not moved to one of the Eastern European countries bidding because they were not liberal enough in their outlook."

Would those be the countries that Brexiters keep cheering on?

Ah yes it would

Sorry, but I don't see where you are coming from Boris.

As far as I am aware, the UK isn't stopping immigration (or sending anyone home) - but introducing a points based immigration system instead.

The middle classes feel just as uncomfortable with seeing UK homeless citizens on the streets as EU ones - and they tend avoid social housing estates no matter what the nationality of the residents.

Would those be the countries that Brexiters keep cheering on?

You've lost me there I'm afraid.

Just googled and found this (not the article I remember from a few months ago regarding the letter):

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-ema-eba-agencies-relocation-eus-east-west-divisions-laid-bare/

The choice of Amsterdam and Paris as the new homes for two EU agencies leaving London fuelled criticism in Central and Eastern Europe that newer members of the bloc are treated like second-class citizens

The kerfuffle over Monday's votes to pick new locations for the European Medicines Agency and the European Banking Authority— both uprooting from the British capital due to Brexit—was the latest sign of an East-West split, also laid bare by issues such as migration policy, rule of law and even the quality of ingredients used by international food brands.

What does it matter where the EMA has gone to? It's gone.

And anyway apparently their departure was a huge Brexit benefit because they were holding back Great British Medicine.

TheElementsSong

Oh - I see why you don't want this discussed - I've just read a bit more of the article:

For many politicians in Central and Eastern Europe, the failure to bag even one of the agencies was symptomatic of a wider problem.

“This decision may rather reflect the existing difficult relationships and weakened trust between the EU's old members and some Central European new member states as they seem to perceive the current and future EU in different ways,” said Petr Ježek, a Czech MEP from the ANO party of billionaire Andrej Babiš that won the country's recent general election.

Some governments are already suggesting the outcome of the selection process bodes ill for Central and Eastern Europe’s role in upcoming discussions on the EU’s post-Brexit future.

Those decisions can in practice increase distrust between EU countries," he said."Two-speed Europe already exists.

The decision to choose Amsterdam and Paris will increase Euroskepticism in Central and Eastern Europe. I think that is very short-sighted, and a strategic mistake.

No, you're welcome to go ahead pointing out squirrels, and I'm going to go ahead and point out that from our now UK-centric view of the universe, it doesn't matter where the EMA has gone. And as you've said, it doesn't matter that the expertise has gone because they were bad for British Medicine. And it doesn't matter that effectively thousands of jobs worth of business has gone, because literally only 60 British citizens were involved.

No - I didn't say that.

I said it was a moot point that we had lost the EMA because they had already left town. I also said that it was worth exploring whether we could join the EMA as an associate member - but I was told that they wouldn't have us anyway. I did link to a recent article in which The Institute of Cancer Research blamed EU red-tape (and the EMA) for holding up some cancer research and the development of new drugs.

Another poster was under the impression that 900 UK citizens had lost their jobs with the EMA - and then she suggested that even if they weren't UK citizens most of them would have probably lost their jobs because they couldn't relocate - which wasn't the case at all.

If it's a moot point that the EMA have left, why is it strangely not a moot point where they've gone?

Why does what is happening in the EU versus the old Western bloc of state and the newer ex-communist E bloc of states bother you Clavinova? We will be out of the EU, it won't affect you. Although if it eventually helps it to fall apart then I imagine that you will be pleased.

I don't think any poster said 900 UK citizens, whichever poster it was said 900 jobs. You helpfully pointed out Clavinova, that it was only 60 UK jobs, with the implication that the other 840 taxpaying employees didn't matter, (cos they were furrin.) Ignoring all the knock on effects of those employees taking spouses with them, who also might be paying tax in the UK.

If it's a moot point that the EMA have left, why is it strangely not a moot point where they've gone?

I only posted an interesting side note:

Interestingly though-over 200 employees at the European Medicines Agency signed a letter requesting that the agency was not moved to one of the Eastern European countries bidding because they were not liberal enough in their outlook.

You and Boris made a big thing out of it - and now Peregrina.

I don't think any poster said 900 UK citizens, whichever poster it was said 900 jobs.

I know exactly what she was thinking though - just what The Guardian headline wanted her to think.

the other 840 taxpaying employees didn't matter

We discovered in a previous thread that EU employees pay a reduced community tax - which goes straight into the EU pot - to be distributed wherever. They also receive extremely generous allowances - the EMA had 5,000 applications for 100-200 vacancies in Amsterdam. I don't think we need to feel sorry for them.

Enough of that - I've opened a different can of worms thanks to Boris.

This is really amusing.

I made a big deal out of your dog whistle "importing European poverty" point nothing else.

Glad to see you got your C and P skills back.

I made a big deal out of your dog whistle "importing European poverty"

What I actually said:

In middle class areas that voted leave-I think there's a fear of European poverty coming to the UK, not racism or fear of other nationalities.

Glad to see you got your C and P skills back.

Which is exactly what I said, a fear of importing European poverty indicates what idea people have in their head regarding EU immigrants.

the "Coming over here to scrounge benefits" one.

Which is xenophobic of course, and incorrect.