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The Magic Brexit Money Tree

324 replies

MillytantForceit · 04/03/2019 08:23

...Children! Lollipops! Lollipops if you vote for my deal!

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Quietrebel · 05/03/2019 18:41

No one is an ‘expert’ on leaving the EU because no one has ever left before.

Yes, but they should be experts on how the EU works and how reliant we are in certain areas. No excuse for that.

twofingerstoEverything · 05/03/2019 18:52

Maternity units are also well used by the immigrant population.
They're also well staffed by the immigrant population, along with the rest of the NHS.

Millyonthe · 05/03/2019 19:13

Interesting article on changed attitudes to immigration since the referendum. According to this, the UK has changed from being generally negative about immigration before the Brexit vote to being largely positive.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47428515
Seems like the fact that the govt actually listened to peoples' concerns about FoM has actually had a positive effect. I think that is one thing that Theresa May has got right in her WA.

Bearbehind · 05/03/2019 19:24

And, while we are at it, I think Theresa May is an excellent Prime Minister

This is hysterical! 😂😂😂😂😂

Peregrina · 05/03/2019 19:28

History will be the judge of both May and Cameron, and at the moment I can't see it being kind to either of them!

jasjas1973 · 05/03/2019 19:34

Seems like the fact that the govt actually listened to peoples' concerns about FoM has actually had a positive effect. I think that is one thing that Theresa May has got right in her WA

Perhaps changing attitudes to immigration have no doubt come about because now people are more aware of their reliance on migrants to do the jobs we either can't or won't do.... so a positive from the brexit debacle?

If May had her way, all 2m to 3m eu citizens would all be heading back to mainland europe.

ContinuityError · 05/03/2019 19:50

No one is an ‘expert’ on leaving the EU because no one has ever left before.

Erm ... Greenland?

Peregrina · 05/03/2019 20:02

Did Greenland leave the EEC rather than the EU? Even so, there were lessons which could usefully be applied - a country with a population of 50,000, one major industry, and only 10 other members to negotiate with, one of which was the Kingdom to which it was still a member of and it still took three years. This is without the complication of a land border with another EU country in a part of a Kingdom which had recently had a Civil War.

Did they bother to learn any? Evidence would suggest not.

ContinuityError · 05/03/2019 20:14

Peregrina true that Greenland voted to leave the EEC in 1982, left in 1985, and remained associated through the association of Overseas Countries and Territories.

56,000 people, one industry, simpler treaties with less European integration, and it still took 3 years to negotiate an exit.

Lessons learned?

simplest deal in human history

Apparently not.

surferjet · 05/03/2019 20:14

Greenland?
😂😂😂😂

ContinuityError · 05/03/2019 20:21

surfer

Exactly. One small country, one industry, three years.

And your point is?

surferjet · 05/03/2019 20:29

I know, we have so much in common with Greenland, so alike it’s uncanny.

ContinuityError · 05/03/2019 20:29

And guess where Greenland sends its main product?

ContinuityError · 05/03/2019 20:31

I know, we have so much in common with Greenland, so alike it’s uncanny.

Yeah. All those fisherman that voted Leave must be thinking exactly the same thing Hmm

Now, where does Greenland sell all that fish?

donquixotedelamancha · 05/03/2019 20:33

I haven’t personally been effected by high levels of immigration, but many people have.

Most people have not. Some specific areas (poor areas) have. There was an excellent analysis on newsnight of how refugees have been placed in huge numbers in specific council wards by the private companies TM brought in to run the service.

We could have a shit-load more control of our EU and non-EU immigration if we wanted. We could have spread the load.

We are going to have less immigration because we will have a weaker (and less attractive) economy, but the areas feeling the strain will still get screwed because that is government policy.

And, while we are at it, I think Theresa May is an excellent Prime Minister

Grenfell? Police numbers? Immigration policy? Dementia tax? The unnecessary general election? Keeping Chris Grayling? Making Boris Johnson foreign secretary? Making 'thick as mince' Davies (that's what the other Tory MPs call him) Brexit secretary? The windrush scandal? Letting Amber Rudd take the fall for the windrush scandal? Bribing the DUP?

Never mind the lack of a Brexit policy, how could anyone think TM competent?

prettybird · 05/03/2019 20:34

I knew about Greenland and mentioned frequently in advance of the vote about how long it had taken them to "sort out" leaving the EEC - even though it had "good will" from its parent country, a tiny population and one industry Shock.

And I'm not even an "expert" on the EU Confused - just someone who was interested and read around the subject.

One might have thought that our elected autocorrect tried to change that to "ejected" Wink MPs should have been equally informed Hmm

Coppersulphate · 05/03/2019 21:45

I don't like the ECJ.......does that make me prejudiced?
Absolute rot!

I think the level of immigration in my area was too high in too short a time.

And Pretty, what's all this about your children's school? The schools where I live have/ had a disproportionate number of children from Eastern Europe. That is a fact and is totally unrelated to the school near you. Or the one in the next LA.

Peregrina · 05/03/2019 22:01

So where do you think this court of arbitration is going to come from, which will do things differently then Copper?

Jason118 · 05/03/2019 22:25

Can somebody explain to me what he problem is with the ECJ? It's a court isn't it, with judges and a legal framework that we're part of? Or am I missing something? What's not to like about it?

prettybird · 05/03/2019 22:30

The point is that your argument against immigration causing problems in schools is illogical - I have provided two examples that demonstrate that it is not immigration that is the problem - it is poor management by Government, LA or the school itself. Confused

Our closest primary (not actually our catchment though Confused) is 98% EAL Shock - so there's a 3rd example Smile (In fact, most of the schools in Glasgow would demonstrate the fallacy of your argument).

It is perfectly possible to have good schools with immigration - with appropriate resources which is a government decision (and the fact that that in England, Westminster chose not to allocate the additional revenues that EU citizens bring in, yet to allow them to be blamed for the pressures on resources is particularly egregious Angry)

Within the last 10 years, ds' secondary has recently had to cope with intakes that consist of 10% solely of Roma, as well as Polish, Slovakian, Serbian, Albanian.... so don't give me the "too high in too short a time argument" Hmm

Where I am, we don't blame the EU. The school has "cultural lunches" to celebrate all the countries and ethnicities that make up the heritage of the school. Smile

Only small minded or ignorant people would blame the EU for actions which are the deliberate choice of the Westminster Government. Sad

(And I'm not even going to start on the fact that it was the UK that pushed for the rapid accession of the Eastern European states and it was the UK that chose not to put in any controls over Eastern European immigration when it could have done so Confused)

Your "argument" against the ECJ is equally illogical, as it seems to consist of a fallacious "because" - Confused with no more evidence than "because you don't like it" Hmm No examples. No explanation as to why you'd accept a WTO arbitration or indeed, apparently, "any other" court of arbitration, as long as it's not the ECJ Confused

But it's ok, because you are doing wonders to illustrate the fallacies and illogicalities of Brexiter arguments. Smile

jasjas1973 · 05/03/2019 22:33

The only reason you don't like the ECJ Copper is because it has "European" in it.

Its illogical to screw the economy because some areas suffered from an increase in migration.... which now will be replaced with non EU immigrants.

TheElementsSong · 05/03/2019 22:47

The only reason you don't like the ECJ Copper is because it has "European" in it.

Exactly this!

ContinuityError · 06/03/2019 07:19

Absolutely. Bloody ECJ making the UK comply with the urban wastewater directive.

Peregrina · 06/03/2019 07:25

If it was USCJ they would be saying Yes, please. We don't care how much of a vassal state we are to the US.

BorisBogtrotter · 06/03/2019 08:25

I provided you with data on the performance of schools with NBW students, showing that they out perform schools that have low numbers but are similar to them in all other aspects. On average schools who have high number of Non British Whites are out performed by those who have low numbers by about 2% of children getting more level 4s, they outperform similar schools to them by about 9%.

It ain't about immigration.

You might feel that your children's schooling was affected, but that's down to your prejudice. The data from Boston Council shows similar information.

Making these points about "too quick too soon" etc, is simply a way of trying to put a civil face, and seemingly reasonable argument on your poorly conceived prejudices.

Your objection to the ECJ, but not WTO, or trade deal courts of arbitration demonstrates your poor understanding of the issues at hand too.