Westminstenders: May's Deal or No Deal

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Tonight: Votes on Amendments after May's Stitch-Up Promise which might nerf the crucial Cooper-Boles amendment as its now deemed 'unnecessary'. I think voting starts very shortly. (They are just summing up now)

A - Corbyn's Brexit deal
K - SNP's, banning No Deal
C - Cooper-Letwin bill paving amendment (which they hope not to move)
B - Alberto Costa's EU citizens rights
F - Spelman/Dromey's to enshrine PM's Brexit extension promise

Corbyn's amendment. You can ignore. Its going to fail.

The SNPs amendment should in theory pass, but with the vote on the 13th March and the government whip, it might fail today.

Cooper-Letwin (or Cooper-Boles whichever you prefer) needs to pass to ensure May can't worm her way out of the current timetable but it looks unlikely to pass. If it does it would come into effect on the 13th March.

Costa's amendment is interesting as he was forced to resign in order to table it (and protect his parents who are EU citz) even though the government have now backed his amendment. His speech was striking in how he stressed it was about people not party politics.

Looking like Spelman has been withdrawn. So possible there will be no vote on it, as May has promised a vote on extension on the 14th March.

The battle now turns to how long the (almost inevitable) a50 extension will be.

March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
Its still unlikely to pass.

Which would lead to Cooper-Boles coming into effect (if it passes) though it now has effectively been accepted by May though she might renege.

We now face a vote rejecting no deal on March 13th. Which should ban no deal.

This makes the all important vote effectively on March 14th which will be about the extension. The detail and amendments on this are important and will affect what happens next.

March 29th is probably no longer important as we won't be leaving then.

If we only are able to get a short extension (which the EU might refuse and insist on a longer one! But I doubt it) then the end of April begining of May is crucial. If we don't pass the legislation to take part in EU elections then May can dictate to the HoC and force her deal through as the only alternative to No Deal.

The EU elections fall on May 23-26.

The new parliament starts on the July 1st. This is now effectively the cliff edge if May has her way.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Abbreviation thread.

Fox had to resign from his post as Defence secretary, after he was deemed to have compromised national security.

He shouldn't be an MP let alone a senior govt minister - but as he isn't a member of the Labour party, all forgiven.

I'm going to have to insist you use his FULL title!...

"Liam fox, former disgraced defence minister and werritty sniffer"

Thank you.

the WA in merely the prelude to 10 years on negotiating stress

I was telling my dad off at the weekend about Fox (being careful of course to use his full name: disgraced former Defence Secretary, werrity sniffing Fox ).

Told Dad it's his fault that we have to suffer him as a politician, because as one of his first bosses when he was qualifying, my dad must have put him off medicine

Dad claims that he was sooooo mediocre, he can barely remember him

He gives all foxes a bad name

Has anyone posted about Farages march from Sunderland to London?

I bet he won't march hardly any of the way. Just the bits when the press are filming. I can't wait to see what a low turn out they get.

Hadn't heard of Farage's march. I can see him milking the publicity for all it's worth, but I can't see him doing it. I am quite sure that there are people in Sunderland who are fit enough to last the distance.

Why Sunderland? Marching for the closure of Nissan?
Is he thinking it's some latter day Jarrow hunger march? I can tell him now ... it isn't.

Has anyone posted about Farages march from Sunderland to London?

The march where participants are to be charged £50 to walk on public roads? I guess they figure that if people were gullible enough to be taken in by Brexit unicorns, they're ripe to be fleeced by anybody waving a patriotic Union flag

Sunderland is 9 miles from Jarrow.
Best farage uses a segway

The inventor of the segway died by falling off a segway. That is what I know about segways.

Oh dear, he may have to use a range rover instead.

Oh then, dear, let’s hope he goes for the segway!!

Actually, how about a nice collection and a delivery of ministerially-coloured segways to the House of Parliament?

(I actually crossed the road in front door Boris Johnson a few days before the referendum and thought for a moment that I could fake an accident and push him off this bike and talk some sense in him...I was so naive back in 2016...I didn’t do it, but now I know it would have made no difference ;-)

(In front of...dunno why the phone decided to use the word door...)

Besides which, the Jarrow marchers were marching for work, not because they decided to ignore the advice of their employer Nissan, and ask them to pull the work out of the UK.

cherin - it could have made it worse, it could have knocked what little sense there was right out of him.

PMK - finally caught up again. Cautiously optimistic that we won’t exit without a deal. Not optimistic at all that TM will see sense and revoke.

Farage's March video includes Esther McVey. What a shambles she is. Lost in her home city and parachuted into a safe Tory seat in an area that voted Remain. So, Tatton effectively has a Ukip MP.

Hadn't heard of Farage's march.

And that is why he is marching. Cos no one gives a fuck about him anymore. Attention seeking tosser. We should just go 'what I hadn't heard about that. What price is a pint of milk these days? How the cat?'

I'm cautiously optimistic about Labour's plan to try to get a PV between the WA and Remain.

Of course I would prefer to just revoke but I don't think there's a way to make that happen. With a PV between the WA and Remain at least it both takes No Deal off the table and gives Remain a good chance which if it wins would become "the will of the people."

Of course it's scary but I think the country's position has shifted enough and also so few people like the WA. I think it's a reasonable compromise way forward and the only non-No Deal way forward that I think stands much of a chance.

Just had this email:

Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Revoke Art.50 if there is no Brexit plan by the 25 of February”.
^petition.parliament.uk/petitions/239706^
The debate is scheduled for 11 March 2019.
Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

I must admit this appears to be an improvement on previous ones I have signed where the response is in the manner of "S*d off, leaving is the will of the people."

I also had another email about the price of my electricity going up by more than £60 a year from next month. I thought Leaving the EU was going to make everything cheaper, not immediately increase the price, according to people like Davis and Deadwood Redwood.

I feel like getting some stickers printed which say "Thanks Leavers" and stick them on empty shelves or on pillars by long queues at airports.

Yes Peregrina - I'm sure we've not had an offer to email a video link and transcript before.

It can only be a good thing if more people watch Parliament in action ( or Parliament inaction!).

I fixed my energy prices for 2 years about a month ago in case of price rises.

I've also had that email about article 50.

I remain hopeful.

Anyone listening to BBC 5 live this morning ? They're discussing the BBC's coverage of brexit and people's views about brexit as a whole on and off through the programme. They've a woman on from where I live spouting the usual platitudes about how Brexit means Brexit and she knows what she voted for blah blah blah.....so I've facebooked them to ask them to subject her to bit of incisive questioning about the catastrophic effects of no deal rather than giving her carte blanche to pontificate endlessly. Obviously not a cat in hells chance of happening !