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Westminstenders: The Rebellion

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RedToothBrush · 23/02/2019 22:43

This week is the start of another big week. Touted (again) as high noon. However the end of February marks a watershed in many ways. Parliament simply can not kick the can further. Its last stand time.

Three Cabinet ministers are openly saying back Cooper-Boles. They are joined by other ministers and intend to vote for it regardless of the government position. And will break protocol by refusing to resign to do so. This leaves May with the option of accepting it or sacking them.

The breaking of collective responsibility would be a bit deal. But May can not easily sack them. She simply has so little power left.

These ministers are backed by up to 100 moderates too. And with the emergence of the TIGGERS the mood has changed with others emboldened in their rebellion and arguably more likely to go.

Meanwhile Corbyn is losing even more authority. In what looks like a last ditch attempt to retain remain support in the face of the TIGGERS whilst also leaving to the point where it is realistic, noises are being made that Labour are about to back a People's Vote. It sounds symbolic rather than meaningful in anyway.

The antisemitic row, however, seems to be engulfing the party even further with MPs seen as Jewish, or not loyal Corbynites subject to intense amounts of abuse for being diplomatic or sympathetic in the face of resignations. The spectacle of Labour infighting has been laid bare in a very public way and it doesn't look healthy and is swallowing all column inches over and above any policy regarding either austerity or Brexit.

What this means for votes this week is important. The power of the whip on both sides of the house is completely fractured. MPs are more likely to vote with conscience than party lines than previously.

Where this leads us is now wide open.

An extension now looks all but inevitable. But for how long, at what price and for what ends ultimately in terms of a deal or no deal.

This noise seems very much at odds with other voices.

The Government itself, however, still seems to be planning to get WA legislation through parliament at the last minute at the end of March. (This would also involve May using measures which break parliamentary constitutional arrangements). And prominent leavers are suggesting that an extention will just kill Brexit off completely.

A GE is also very much looming. The TIGGERS emergence is such a threat that both parties will now possibly want it sooner rather than later (for slightly differing reasons). They will not want them to become established or prepared for an election. But calling an election now closes parliament and enables no deal by default. A GE after an extension or Brexit is a different prospect too.

Things are likely to get very busy this week. Time to brace once again.

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 12:27

Nick Eardley @nickeardleybbc
NEW: Hearing Alberto Costa has resigned as aide to Scottish Secretary David Mundell

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Motheroffourdragons · 27/02/2019 12:28

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 12:29

Daniel Kraemer @dcakraemer
This is a bit confusing, seeing as Javid seemed to support Costa's amendment this morning...

Nicholas Mairs @Nicholas_Mairs
Among some confusion Sajid Javid confirms ministers will back the Costa amendment on guaranteeing EU citizens rights under no-deal

Nicholas Mairs @Nicholas_Mairs
SM: "What’s wrong with the amendment?"
SJ: "Nothing”
SM "So is the Government supporting it then?"
SJ: “Yes, what do you mean now? When was the government not supporting it? Where did you hear that?”
SM: "Yesterday"
SJ: “From who?”
SM: "The Prime Minister"
SJ "Did you…"

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 12:31

Nick Eardley @nickeardleybbc
Sounds like amendment from Alberto Costa has been accepted by Govt. unclear if he went anyway or was pushed - but has definitely gone

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 12:33

Pippa Crerar @PippaCrerar
I’m confused by this - @sajidjavid told MPs this morning that Government backed @AlbertoCostaMP’s citizens rights amendment. Was he wrong?

Oh dear. This looks 'messy'

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Missbel · 27/02/2019 12:33

Mother she seems incapable of saying anything else. It's the answer to almost every question. I've stopped watching - it makes me seethe with rage.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/02/2019 12:35

Paris Gourtsoyannis

@thistlejohn
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Confirmed - Alberto Costa has resigned as PPS to David Mundell

Comes despite government appearing to accept his amendment calling for no-deal Brexit guarantee for EU citizens in the UK

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 12:35

John Rentoul @JohnRentoul
Helen Hayes, Lab, Dulwich, asks what guarantee "other than her word" the PM can give that parl can rule out a no-deal Brexit

Good question!

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HazardGhost · 27/02/2019 12:36

Did the survey... I ticked lib dems for Q16. I don't know if a Tig will be running in my area also they aren't a party and while lib dems have been quietly useless they have had an unchanging manifesto over brexit. Highly suspect local MP for labour is antisemitic on top of all the other reasons why I am done voting for him.

It was very Tigger focused poll. I have no strong opinion about labour MPs leaving the party for Tiggers but clearly labour have VERY strong feelings about it Grin

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 12:37

bookworm @readerbythesea
#pmqs
Blimey @CarolineLucas has just revealed that the company in charge of #NHS supplies after #Brexit will be the company who cocked up KFCs chicken supplies
FFS did I actually hear that right or have I sunk into delirium waiting for a GP phone call?

I'm feeling very reassured this afternoon aren't you?

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/02/2019 12:37

Looks like we may be back to EU citizens becoming bargaining chips once more with the Tories.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/02/2019 12:39

This was The Mirror 17hrs ago on Costa saying he may be sacked

borntobequiet · 27/02/2019 12:40

Chicken and chips.
Yay

dontcallmelen · 27/02/2019 12:42

I think I am now at the point of hysterical laughing, because if I start to cry I don’t think I will stop. This is all just now a really really bad farce the whole fecking lot of them are practically certifiable, I have gone beyond any sensible words or thought.

Icantreachthepretzels · 27/02/2019 12:48

I can't understand how anyone as uncreative and plodding as TM is managing to outfox the entire commons.

I can't understand how any of them can believe what she says - having had her renege on them all so many time before.

If they were people of honour I might be able to understand that they were simply unable to realise that she had none but even then I'd think 'wise up not everyone is like you' but they're politicians! Backstabbing backbiting bastards the lot of them. It's an entry level requirement to the HoC. They wouldn't know honour if it fell on it's own sword right in front of them. How HOW can they say the Cooper amendment is not necessary? Both Boles and Letwin seem to be going to vote against it! HOW?

I can't understand why - even if not strictly necessary (it is) - they don't vote for it as an insurance policy.

And I absolutely can't understand why if political analysts were explaining how May had outfoxed them all last night - and was keeping no deal on the table by a short extension and no voting for MEPs - that the people inside the HoC haven't copped onto it as well.

I think I'm angrier at the idiots that insist on believing every lie she spouts than I am with her tbh.

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 27/02/2019 13:10

Sorry to but in during PMQ. I am having a great spat with my Leave loving brother on Facebook today. Dot usually bother but I was feeling particularly argumentative Grin
So I thought I might have a game of Brexit Bingo with myself but i have forgotten the rules! Can anyone remind me of the the things to look for?

I have already had “ Project Fear” and “ few were in full possession of the facts” . So I am pretty sure I can tick 2 off already.

Littlespaces · 27/02/2019 13:11

Apologies if not mainstream Labour HQ survey. My Remain answers will not appeal to them.

prettybird · 27/02/2019 13:14

Millennium Bug
"The People have spoken".
17.4 million
"No deal is better than a bad deal".

...for starters Grin

HazardGhost · 27/02/2019 13:14

2bees Y2K, 2nd ref is undemocratic, will of the people, there'll be riots if brexit doesn't happen, we coped before the EU, I don't think there'll be food shortages and if there are we can grow our own.

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 13:17

2bees Don't forget:

If Brexit fails, it's all the fault of the EU / the Irish

Forward purchasing causes panic in the streets

We'll just sell our exports to ourselves

BiglyBadgers · 27/02/2019 13:17

The guardian seems very sure that Costa was sacked ("asked to resign"), which seems ridiculous and just down right petty if the Tories are then going to support the amendment. May is just so horribly unpleasant.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 27/02/2019 13:18

Do we know what is actually being voted on tonight?

BiglyBadgers · 27/02/2019 13:19

Brexit bingo should also include references to how undemocratic the EU are and how they are bullying and intransigent.

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 27/02/2019 13:21

So I can cross off “ will of the people too” Great that’s 3 now.

Mind you my brother has a record of not playing ball and then stops responding and goes very quiet when I present him with reasoned argument. So I may not get some of the others.

HazardGhost · 27/02/2019 13:23

Oh and we need to take back control, we've been dictated to for to long. Bendy bananas Shock