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Brexit

Westminstenders: The Rebellion

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RedToothBrush · 23/02/2019 22:43

This week is the start of another big week. Touted (again) as high noon. However the end of February marks a watershed in many ways. Parliament simply can not kick the can further. Its last stand time.

Three Cabinet ministers are openly saying back Cooper-Boles. They are joined by other ministers and intend to vote for it regardless of the government position. And will break protocol by refusing to resign to do so. This leaves May with the option of accepting it or sacking them.

The breaking of collective responsibility would be a bit deal. But May can not easily sack them. She simply has so little power left.

These ministers are backed by up to 100 moderates too. And with the emergence of the TIGGERS the mood has changed with others emboldened in their rebellion and arguably more likely to go.

Meanwhile Corbyn is losing even more authority. In what looks like a last ditch attempt to retain remain support in the face of the TIGGERS whilst also leaving to the point where it is realistic, noises are being made that Labour are about to back a People's Vote. It sounds symbolic rather than meaningful in anyway.

The antisemitic row, however, seems to be engulfing the party even further with MPs seen as Jewish, or not loyal Corbynites subject to intense amounts of abuse for being diplomatic or sympathetic in the face of resignations. The spectacle of Labour infighting has been laid bare in a very public way and it doesn't look healthy and is swallowing all column inches over and above any policy regarding either austerity or Brexit.

What this means for votes this week is important. The power of the whip on both sides of the house is completely fractured. MPs are more likely to vote with conscience than party lines than previously.

Where this leads us is now wide open.

An extension now looks all but inevitable. But for how long, at what price and for what ends ultimately in terms of a deal or no deal.

This noise seems very much at odds with other voices.

The Government itself, however, still seems to be planning to get WA legislation through parliament at the last minute at the end of March. (This would also involve May using measures which break parliamentary constitutional arrangements). And prominent leavers are suggesting that an extention will just kill Brexit off completely.

A GE is also very much looming. The TIGGERS emergence is such a threat that both parties will now possibly want it sooner rather than later (for slightly differing reasons). They will not want them to become established or prepared for an election. But calling an election now closes parliament and enables no deal by default. A GE after an extension or Brexit is a different prospect too.

Things are likely to get very busy this week. Time to brace once again.

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GeistohneGrenzen · 27/02/2019 13:27

I bought a cucumber from Iceland two days ago. But it was grown in Spain. It was definitely square, not round. Is that significant d'you think? Grin

bellinisurge · 27/02/2019 13:40

I love the growing our own idea Hmm. Presumably touted by people who don't.
I do. It doesn't happen by magic. Not even the Brexit fairies can speed up the process.

Motheroffourdragons · 27/02/2019 13:53

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DGRossetti · 27/02/2019 13:55

I can't understand how anyone as uncreative and plodding as TM is managing to outfox the entire commons.

I have said a few times I think she's getting help from on high. Make of that what you will.

Motheroffourdragons · 27/02/2019 13:58

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FishesaPlenty · 27/02/2019 14:07

Blimey @CarolineLucas has just revealed that the company in charge of #NHS supplies after #Brexit will be the company who cocked up KFCs chicken supplies

DHL have been running the NHS Supply Chain for the last 12 years. They recently lost the contract to Unipart (formerly British Leyland's parts distribution operation, if that makes you feel safer).

Triglesoffy · 27/02/2019 14:10

I have said a few times I think she's getting help from on high. Make of that what you will.

Or from down below 👿

67chevvyimpala · 27/02/2019 14:10

Fuck a duck

Whatthefoxgoingon · 27/02/2019 14:11

There’s another vote?

What for? Brand of toilet paper in HoC?

MadAboutWands · 27/02/2019 14:13

I like the new IABU thread....
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3519306-To-think-our-Prime-Minister-has-lost-the-plot-and-is-now-completely-bonkers?trending=1

One poster thinks that we needed a charismatic leader to convinces us all to be Leavers and that the right man was Nigel Farrage 😂😂😂

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/02/2019 14:13

Trigles maybe that explains the heatwave in Feb? Hmm

EweSurname · 27/02/2019 14:19

Tom Newton Dunn
‏*@tnewtondunn*
Brexit motion debate - Bercow picks amednments;
A - Corbyn's Brexit deal
K - SNP's, banning No Deal
C - Cooper-Letwin bill paving amendment (which they hope not to move)
B - Alberto Costa's EU citizens rights
F - Spelman/Dromey's to enshrine PM's Brexit extension promise

DGRossetti · 27/02/2019 14:19

I like the new IABU thread...

I like threads like that, because they are the perfect retort to people who accuse remainers of inventing the thickness of leavers. If anything, we've underplayed the thickness.

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 14:24

From the Aibu thread:

"The backstop isn't necessary. Leaving the EU is more important than the Good Friday agreement, as far as I am concerned. Ireland is part of the EU. It's a foreign country."

Fuck me. The ignorance is phenomenal.

DGRossetti · 27/02/2019 14:28

The ignorance is phenomenal.

But we're not allowed to call Leavers thick, remember ?

I reckon half the Tory party are on that thread ....

HazardGhost · 27/02/2019 14:31

sparkly Grin😂 @ the AIBU quote

It's a script of pure comedy magic.

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 14:35

Thick is not the same as ignorant though. To me ignorance is lacking knowledge. Thick is lacking intelligence. Although when it comes to leavers I'm not sure if any difference Grin

bellinisurge · 27/02/2019 14:38

Jesus, @SparklySneakers , that is fecking dreadful. Whichever numpty said that should be ashamed of themselves.

DGRossetti · 27/02/2019 14:38

Thick is not the same as ignorant though. To me ignorance is lacking knowledge. Thick is lacking intelligence

Thick is having the tools at your disposal to inform yourself before making a complete tit of yourself, but deciding to proceed anyway.

Ignorance can be cured with an application of education.

DGRossetti · 27/02/2019 14:39

The other thing that's nice about that thread is the relative quietness of the Leavers ...

Motheroffourdragons · 27/02/2019 14:44

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/02/2019 14:45

From the other thread
Part of the issue is the MPs and their atrocious behaviour especially those Remainers who be.ieve they know best, disputes their constituents voting leave. If they thought about what the country had voted for, rather than their own personal thoughts then we would not be in thi# mess

Sounds so much like my leaver friend on one of her rants.

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BigChocFrenzy · 27/02/2019 14:46

__ Uh oh, I wondered if the EU Commission has everyone on board wrt A50 extension
Germany / Merkel still is in favour, but not some others

Spain may be demanding conditions ....

Brexit delay: France would block Article 50 extension ‘without a clear objective’, Macron says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-article-50-extend-macron-merkel-theresa-may-france-germany-eu-talks-a8799506.html

Speaking at a joint press conference with German chancellor Angela Merkel in Paris, the French president gave the clearest signal from an EU leader so far that there would be conditions on an extension to the Article 50 negotiating period.

“We would support an extension request only if it was justified by a new choice of the British...
But we would in no way accept an extension without a clear objective.”

The president added that “as [chief negotiator] Michel Barnier said, we don’t need time – we need decisions”.
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Speaking at the roughly same time in Madrid,
Spanish prime minister Pedro Sanchezz^ warned that Theresa May would merely be “prolonging uncertainty” by requesting a short Brexit delay without a realistic plan.

“Although Spain is not going to oppose the concession of an eventual extension, it must have a certain perspective of resolution** ....

Prolonging uncertainty by postponing deadlines is not a reasonable nor desirable alternative.”
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Merkel, who was also in Paris, struck a softer tone, telling reporters: “If the UK needs a bit more time, we won’t say no.
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Last week European Council president Donald Tusk said he believed an extension to Article 50 was a “rational” course of action for the UK to take

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/27/spanish-pm-warns-may-brexit-delay-with-no-plan-not-reasonable-or-desirable

Spain’s prime minister ....Pedro Sánchez, who has been a thorn in the British prime minister’s side in recent months, told the Spanish parliament
that there would be conditions attached to an extension of the article 50 negotiating period.

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 14:46

Exactly. I'm ignorant of many things and once I realise I make it my mission to find stuff out. I hate feeling ignorant but others seem to revel in it.

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