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RedToothBrush · 14/02/2019 21:20

Next stop: 27th Feb.

Where we will apparently have Cooper-Boles II which apparently will pass but still assumes that
a) the EU will grant us an extension despite our fuckwittery
b) that it will prevent accidental no deal, which it doesn't
c) glosses over the minor point that the only way to 100% prevent no deal is to say you'll revoke if everything else fails

Meanwhile in reality we leave in law on 29th March, despite the rest of the law having zero chance of being ready in time. Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal alike.

All that is actually happening is the Tories and Labour fighting amongst themselves. Corbyn is still pretending that Brexit isn't really that important and hoping it will just go away. May is still trying to compromise with the ERG - whom if you paying attention 18 months ago were obviously were never going to compromise on anything - cos they are fuckwitted swivel eyed loons.

Meanwhile the entire country has no other alternative but to assume no deal and act accordingly.

A deal on the 21st March (as is the planned date of the Meaningful Vote) is simply too late for planners. For them no deal has already happened even if it does never come to pass.

The strategy of brinkmanship has destroyed us. We just don't know it yet.

A Split in the Tory and Labour parties may well make matters even worse going forward with further political polarisation.

Where next for Brexit?

Who knows and does it even matter now? The damage is irreversible and will take at least a generation to heal wounds. Economically it may never be recoverable.

FUKD.

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DGRossetti · 17/02/2019 15:53

I'm guessing an awful lot of firms have been hoodwinked - a la Nissan - by assuming the Tories are the party of business, and would never let a no deal happen.

The problem they are facing now, is they can hardly kick up a stink and claim they were "promised no no-deal" as it makes them look idiots for accepting non binding platitudes and furthermore might cause them to lose out even more in future if it seems we are in for the long haul.

TalkinPeece · 17/02/2019 15:58

DGR
I agree.
Lots of business owners still have not fully woken up to the fact that the Tories are going to sell them down the river more catastrophically than even Corbyn would.

Littlespaces · 17/02/2019 15:59

They thought the Tories were the party of business.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/02/2019 16:04

Why would May call a GE deliberately to run out time & force No Deal ?

If she thinks it is the best way to hold her party together

  • The party have already demanded she shut down Parliament to stop any attempts to delay / stop Brexit
e.g. the request by JRM & others for prerogation of Parliament They would react savagely if the crossbench moderates formulate a genuinely feasible plan
  • The ERG wingnuts are kamikazes who would be willing to destroy the party to get the hardest of Brexit and to avoif the backstop.
The party members are also overwhelmingly for No Deal

The genuine Tory Remainers are far fewer, have little support among party members and are not sufficiently fanatical to deliberately cause real harm to the party.
They always back down rather than forcing May to e.g. rule out no Deal

DGRossetti · 17/02/2019 16:04

The Tories are the party of the Tories. Privilege over all else. If you can buy privilege, alls well and good. But it's not a Tories job to help you buy privilege ... if you can't afford it, well, too bad old bean. There will always be someone else who can.

The next few months will see a lot of "Tories" discovering they aren't.

Saw the hilarious and thought provoking Andrew Maxwell last night, and he made the point that the reason the UK media doesn't hold UK politicians to account is because they are - and always have been - cut from the same cloth. (Their children go to school together ...).

Peregrina · 17/02/2019 16:06

I wonder what our Leaver friends think of the collapse of flybmi? I notice they are a bit quiet.

Theresa May has apparently written to her MPs saying that history will judge them on how they dealt with Brexit. You can say that again, and I don't think her Brexit means Brexit, and a Red, White and Blue Brexit will look good against her name in the history books - she will be shown up as being stubborn and foolish.

Juells · 17/02/2019 16:10

she will be shown up as being stubborn and foolish.

She loves red lines and being unyielding. I think she has an Iron Lady complex, only it's all gone shit-shaped on her. There's a point at which stubbornness is just stupidity.

RedToothBrush · 17/02/2019 16:14

Andrew Kaczynski @ kfile
Per the WSJ: In much of the Midwest, farmers are filing for chapter 12 bankruptcy protection at levels not seen for at least a decade. The result of recent trade disputes and low commodity prices.^

www.wsj.com/articles/THIS-ONE-HERE-IS-GONNA-KICK-MY-BUTTFARM-BELT-BANKRUPTCIES-ARE-SOARING-11549468759
‘This One Here Is Gonna Kick My Butt’—Farm Belt Bankruptcies Are Soaring
Trade disputes over agriculture add pain to low commodity prices that have been grinding down American farmers for years

Coming to the UK soon.

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Cherrypi · 17/02/2019 16:15

I’m marching. It will be my first one. I want to show my kids I did something. Overall I feel quite powerless to stop this.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/02/2019 16:19

peregrina Next Leaver who pops up saying all is fine, we can quote FlyBMI's statement;

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/flybmi-failure-airline-collapse-brexit-competition-passenger-rights-a8783031.html

The airline cites uncertainty over the UK leaving the European Union as a key factor, saying:

“The challenges, particularly those created by Brexit, have proven to be insurmountable.

“Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process,
which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe
and lack of confidence around Flybmi’s ability to continue flying between destinations in Europe.”

DGRossetti · 17/02/2019 16:22

Next Leaver who pops up saying all is fine, we can quote FlyBMI's statement;

And ?

We all know that a really dedicated leaver will invent all sorts of scenarios to dismiss that. Fake news (obviously), being paid by remoaners to say it (because Remoaners are the elite), and the hard to argue with "they would say that anyway to cover their own incompetence".

Brexit is an article of faith. Look how many people continue to believe in any amount of nonsense in the name of religion where facts have to fit the theory.

I'd just save my strength. We're gonna need it.

Peregrina · 17/02/2019 16:24

Over on another thread we have already had a Leaver saying that other budget airlines in other EU countries are going bankrupt. Whilst this is true because there is overcapacity in the field, and the weakest will go under, a Government which has a spokesman saying F* business and deliberately sets out to wreck businesses cannot be helpful.
Besides which, with all those magnificent trade deals they were going to do and they needed us more than we needed them, our businesses should be the ones profiting and bucking the trend.

Littlespaces · 17/02/2019 16:29

I wonder if Leave voters will remain quite so puffed up if under their precious 'No Deal' (which by the way wasn't on the referendum slip) there are-

less jobs,
less customers buying things / lower consumer confidence
a reduced level of benefits
the benefits have to be shared around with lots more people.

higher prices by 5 to 10%

What a victory. Hmm

DGRossetti · 17/02/2019 16:31

Besides which, with all those magnificent trade deals they were going to do and they needed us more than we needed them, our businesses should be the ones profiting and bucking the trend

But Brexit was never about trade deals, so Leavers won't notice they've not been signed. Also Brexit was never about sovereignty, so Leavers won't notice any changes there either.

For the JRMs, Deadwoods etc, it was always about screwing the poor till the pips squeaked. For the people who actually voted for it, it was to achieve a feeling of having got one over on "the man", and reducing the number of foreigners - real and perceived - in England. And only one side of that alliance is going to get what they wanted - and it ain't the voters.

AutumnCrow · 17/02/2019 17:03

I'm sure there's a classical quote (maybe Machiavelli hmm) about ensuring you leave the people with hope

DGRossetti weirdly, what sprang to mind was Bob Dylan 's dislike of the ending of Easy Rider. 'You have to give them hope, man'.

DGRossetti · 17/02/2019 17:11

the ending of Easy Rider

One of the greatest movie soundtracks of all time.

I saw it when I was 16 in a double-bill with "The Song Remains the Same" at the Roxy in Soho ... just to put a few things into context about contemporary discussions ...

Solewindow · 17/02/2019 17:17

She only needs to send a letter to the EU stating that she Revokes
The EU have no power to refuse (ECJ ruled this)

The ECJ ruling was only in respect of not needing EU agreement , it doesn't say TM could act unilaterally without parliamentary support.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/the-brexit-legal-challenges-that-could-force-britain-to-leave-without-a-deal/

PostNotInHaste · 17/02/2019 17:21

Double apologies, once for missing it if already posted and two for posting link to the Mail. Air Blue cancelling flights from liverpoool to Spain due to ‘Brexit impasse’

www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-6704717/Holidaymakers-left-furious-airline-cancels-flights-Brexit-impasse.html

LonelyandTiredandLow · 17/02/2019 17:34

Catching up again!
I will be on the march. I'm meant to be meeting an old school friend that day so will see if she wants to come along too.

Was out last night and was dragged into 'spoons (which incidentally now has table service if you download their app!? no I didn't go that far but did stay for a drink Very modern - hadn't been in there for years so was surprised!). Anyway, I heard a couple arguing outside. Turns out the girl had voted leave because her family to her to. She was shouting this at her partner and said she was probably going to loose her job because of "fucking politics".
I may have snuck a yellow sticker with 3 words into the premises.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 17/02/2019 17:37

*because her family told her to

Juells · 17/02/2019 17:37

Air Blue cancelling flights from liverpoool to Spain due to ‘Brexit impasse’

Interesting that they're not allowing comments under the article...

Yaralie · 17/02/2019 17:38

No problem. Just revoke Article 50. OK, we will have wasted billions of taxpayers money, businesses' time and money, other EU countries' time and money and destroyed our international reputation as a sensible country, we will always be far poorer and less respected than if the stupid leave vote had not won the fraudulent referendum, but at least we will have been spared Armaggedon.

DGRossetti · 17/02/2019 17:38

Was out last night and was dragged into 'spoons (which incidentally now has table service if you download their app!?

They have had for a while. I was out with some friends a couple of years ago, and I managed to download and install the app, used it to order, and my meal arrived before a couple who had left before to order at the bar.

That was just before the referendum. For some reason not been since ...

bellinisurge · 17/02/2019 17:38

Good stickertage there @LonelyandTiredandLow Grin

DGRossetti · 17/02/2019 17:40

Turns out the girl had voted leave because her family to her to.

Assuming there's a missing "told" in that, then there are more questions than answers there.

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