Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?

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Next stop: 27th Feb.

Where we will apparently have Cooper-Boles II which apparently will pass but still assumes that
a) the EU will grant us an extension despite our fuckwittery
b) that it will prevent accidental no deal, which it doesn't
c) glosses over the minor point that the only way to 100% prevent no deal is to say you'll revoke if everything else fails

Meanwhile in reality we leave in law on 29th March, despite the rest of the law having zero chance of being ready in time. Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal alike.

All that is actually happening is the Tories and Labour fighting amongst themselves. Corbyn is still pretending that Brexit isn't really that important and hoping it will just go away. May is still trying to compromise with the ERG - whom if you paying attention 18 months ago were obviously were never going to compromise on anything - cos they are fuckwitted swivel eyed loons.

Meanwhile the entire country has no other alternative but to assume no deal and act accordingly.

A deal on the 21st March (as is the planned date of the Meaningful Vote) is simply too late for planners. For them no deal has already happened even if it does never come to pass.

The strategy of brinkmanship has destroyed us. We just don't know it yet.

A Split in the Tory and Labour parties may well make matters even worse going forward with further political polarisation.

Where next for Brexit?

Who knows and does it even matter now? The damage is irreversible and will take at least a generation to heal wounds. Economically it may never be recoverable.

FUKD.

Doesn’t holding the march so late give brexiteers the perfect opportunity to pretend to be remainers, infiltrate the march, create violence and public disorder, so that the public view of remainers is hugely tarnished right before brexit?

That way, post-brexit, the remainers would be less perceived as ‘the rational people who predicted the issues’, and more as ‘the violent troublemakers who can be blamed for everything’?

Delurking to thank you all for these very informative threads. I’ve signed the petition and I’ll be on the march....

Even a march at the last minute is worth doing. Even if it can’t change the outcome - it gives a message that a lot of people are extremely unhappy. I’d be doing it myself, but I’ll have moved three hundred miles away a couple of weeks before the march. Poor timing, but inevitable.

An article on a new party.

www.itv.com/news/2019-02-15/could-a-seemingly-inevitable-split-in-the-labour-party-be-the-next-outcome-of-brexit/

Should say possible new party!

And the risky reality of the situation.

www.itv.com/news/2019-02-14/its-a-customs-union-party-splitting-brexit-or-no-deal/

For those who are saying there's no point in the march. Well what's the alternative? Give up? This is our country and it's future. I'm not giving up on it.

While we wait for the march we can still sign petitions, keep writing to our mps etc, but let's not get disheartened to the point of not even trying.

The reason to march - even so late in the day - when you know in your heart of hearts it won't change a thing:
Because:

courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what
- To Kill a Mockingbird

you never fail until you stop trying
- Albert Einstein

when the governments fear the people, there is liberty
- Thomas Jefferson

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men (and women!) do nothing
- unknown

Everyone knows - and loves - all of the famous inspirational quotes about standing up for what is right. Well this is what they're talking about! exactly this! When your rights are under threat, when the laws are being abused, wen people's lives and safety are in jeopardy - standing up and saying 'no' - even if it gets you no where. The world is still a better place because you dared to do it.
Across the world, throughout history - people have faced far worse than brexit. And they have stood and fought when the odds were shorter and the consequences to them of fighting were much more dangerous. Change doesn't happen by ordinary people saying 'oh whats the point' and just allowing circumstances to unfold. It happens because ordinary people come together, refuse to be silenced and refuse to go away.

Thank you to everyone who has said they will march It matters.

And for anyone saying 'there's no point' - one final quote for you:

People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those that are doing it

Zalie, they would be overwhelmed by ordinary people asking for a vote.

You might find this article reassuring.
www.standard.co.uk/news/london/no-significant-arrests-made-after-thousands-attend-people-s-vote-march-a3967256.html

What is a new party going to achieve at this point? I mean, honestly, what's the point in it except a fun distraction for the MPs concerned? IF they really want to vote against their party then they can do so. Let's face it neither Labour or Tories are in a position to sack anyone right now.

Unless an election is called it doesn't mean much to voters and I'd be a lot more impressed by an MP who called out their party's stance of brexit by simply leaving than all this whispering in the background and then not actually doing much.

It’s not too late . A large turnout could get the Kyle amendment over the line that week.

It might not achieve anything immediate but I do think we need a centre ground party.

courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what

I bloody love that quote. It has had a significant impact on my life and we need reminding of it now and then.

Thanks for posting it

Ds studied To Kill a Mockingbird at school and loved it.

I think Atticus Finch and Mandela were strong influences in his decision to study International Relations and his desire to make a difference in world diplomacy.

Let's hope we get enough to match this pro-Brexit march in Manchester:

twitter.com/SurreyAmps/status/1096817861274804224

I think it should be possible

It might not achieve anything immediate but I do think we need a centre ground party.

Maybe we do, but it is irking me rather a lot that right now with no election called and only weeks until brexit they are sitting around bickering about new logos rather than doing their damn jobs.

If they want to resign just do it. A steady stream of resignations could make a huge impact. This whispering and faffing about a new party so close to the line just feels like distraction.

I agree, Bigly.

Maybe we need a general strike as well. Maybe some remain civil disobedience would help. I'm fed up about hearing about "leavers will riot". Maybe we need to stop being so polite.

If the 48% didn't work one day, it would cause chaos, but not as much chaos as no deal is going to

They should be resigning now to have the most impact. If they don't, I'll conclude that it's all bluster and nonsense.

A couple of years ago I was very politically engaged and now I just cba. It's so depressing

Me striking will lead to being given the boot from work rather than have any effect on what's happening. My role doesn't affect enough people to have any meaningful impact if I down tools!

Is anything happening in Scotland, do people know? Would love to be able to join a really big march in Edinburgh or Glasgow. We need to spell out to Westminster and to the EU that Scotland doesn't want Brexit.

As I said earlier, striking as such is not the right thing to be doing as it is not affecting the 'right' people. Companies, whether they have admitted or discussed it yet, are in the shit as much as their employees.
Action needs to be widespread, decisive and sneaky without significantly making your own or others lives threatened.

A strike is asking a lot of people to risk their jobs at a time of huge uncertainty. We have no right to strike in this country.

Can you suggest anything, LeClerc?