Who thinks there should be another referendum

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Who thinks there should be another referendum?
My mum says there shouldn't but my husband says there should be I'm not very sure.

What do u think?

Referendum asking what ?.

To leave or stay

No - been there and done that.

I am a staunch remainder but we did this already and democracy said we exit.
Where does it stop? Best of three?

yes - but there won't be.

No. I voted remain and remain is what I'd vote for again but I can't see that anything is going to be achieved by wasting yet more money on another referendum. Claims that either/both sides lied are probably true and they would lie again - this is politicians that we are talking about after all. It's better to try and work out a decent way of getting out of his shit storm at David Cameron created than it is to waste money on another referendum. It wasn't legally binding anyway so there is no obligation on the government to bring us out of the EU, though perhaps it's too late to remain anyway whether we have another referendum or not. Presumably the EU have some say in it now?

I’m a remainer, but I don’t think we should have a second referendum. Although I worry about a no deal Brexit, my concerns about what happens to this country if 17 million people feel disenfranchised is greater - extremist parties etc.

MPs voted for the question that was asked in referendum (535). The electoral comission was involved. I think arguments people didn’t know what they are voting for are hollow. People knew what they were voting for, the vote just didn’t go our way (remainer perspective).

I'm fed up with it all now. If we are leaving then get on with it and not drag it out for years to come.

Of course we should - once we know the terms of the deal. It's absurd to go ahead because 'democracy said we exit'. Sorry, but that's a stupid argument. Democracy didn't end in June 2016. The referendum was tainted by lies and misinformation. If the deal is going to damage the country's economy and standing it's ridiculous to go ahead. And as for 'no deal' - it would be ridiculously damaging and why pander to extremists?

Yes, but there won't be. Bloody Cameron and that Farage moron.

If it’s the only way we can remain, then yes.

The last thing this country needs is another referendum. We are divided enough as it is.

Do you think there's going to be a massive majority for Remain then? Because I don't. That's the assumption of all the prominent Remainers calling for this, but they called it wrong last time and I've got a feeling they would be even more wrong this time.

Attitudes have hardened and all the leavers I know are even more firmly entrenched than before. It would be another close call and if Remain got a small majority then you'd get huge backlash from the Leavers. Exactly what you've got now, but the other way around.

And then as someone else said - there would be calls for a third referendum.

The country is split. It's still split. Whichever way it goes virtually half of the voting population are going to be very pissed off indeed.

Well if they can hold IndyRef 2 in Scotland 'because things have changed' then why not in England (apart from the lack of time now)

Yes.

But a question about the nature of the Brexit (including no-deal), with the clear benefits and risks set out of each. And include remain in that too.

This is far too important to be left to Tory party politics. I was appalled when I read somewhere that Theresa May didn’t support a customs union because it would split the party.

I don’t give a fuck about the Tories - if a customs union is best for the country then it should be adopted!!!!

No. The result would be too divided, it would not resolve the impasse. This is an unholy mess that has been totally fucked up by politicians of all shades.

I think Article 50 should be delayed for a year and a representative assembly held to work out a sensible path forward.

Please, please, please nobody start with the it's undemocratic bollocks.

The country is already split, the division exists. Brexit itself won't heal anything just make the division worse. Don't think Brexit will stop the arguments they will go on for years whatever happens.

I think another referendum is appropriate. However, if we don't Brexit the arguments will go on. We need to leave, go through the pain and then rejoin on worse terms. It's the only chance we have of demonstrating what the EU actually does.

Crap all round whatever happens. Thanks a lot.

The referendum was tainted by lies and misinformation, yes. How would any new referendum change that?

The rise of Eurosceptic parties across Europe has been going on for years and all the predictions for the May EU parliamentary elections are that they are set to make even further gains. Even the EU's own think tank is predicting that they could take well over a third of the seats in the EU parliament.

Euro-scepticism isn't an exclusively British thing. There are many countries where significant percentages of their voters are choosing to back anti-EU parties from both the left and right of the political spectrum. People seem to be under the delusion that it's this happy, united club where everyone feels safe and warm and wants to be a part of it, and the UK is the only spanner in the works. That's just not the case

You go on about Farage, but virtually every member state has their own version of him - Marine Le Pen in France, Matteo Salvini in Italy, Hungary's Victor Orban, Jussi Halla-aho in Finland, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, Kristian Dahl in Denmark, Meuthen and Gauland in Germany, Meyer in Austria .... the list goes on. And they are gaining ground, not losing it.

We might have been the first to leave the EU but we won't necessarily be the last.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/european-elections-2019-eurosceptic-far-right-juncker-foreign-policy-eurozone-a8773531.html

And how is the rise of fascism in Europe an argument against a follow-up referendum?

It's not a rise in fascism. A significant number of the Eurosceptic parties are left wing.

Easy to label whole swathes of people of all political persuasions from several countries as 'fascists' when they are no such thing. A significant number of our own Leave voters were working class Labour votes, so stop with the Fascist crap to denigrate people whose opinion you don't agree with.

The point I was making was in relation to an earlier post suggesting we should go through the pain and 'leave' only to 'rejoin' later on. There may not be an EU to rejoin the way things are going is the point I was attempting to make in my post.

Yes- give us a new referendum.
Leaving will cripple us

No we should just bin the whole brexit thing as the world's most shit idea and pretend it never happened and never speak of it again.

With regard to a second referendum being undemocratic, what rubbish. For a start had it been a parliamentary election it would have been declared void anyway due to illegally around the Leave campaign. Also, is opinion polls suggesting we were now 60% plus against Leaving (I know that's not the case) it would be positively undemocratic not to have a second referendum.

I don't really understand why people are opposed to holding one. We know so much more now.

If I was jumping out of a plane with a group of people I'd want to do a last check that everyone was still ok with it and examine the parachute safety.

Also, is opinion polls suggesting we were now 60% plus against Leaving (I know that's not the case) it would be positively undemocratic not to have a second referendum.

Quite.

No. We don't have time. The referendum was stupid because the terms weren't defined but it's too late to do anything about that now. Really what we should do is stay because it's becoming increasingly obvious that leaving makes no sense in terms of politics, economics or security. But again it's too late now.

We need to leave with a transitional agreement and then have an all party committee to get us the best possible permanent deal after that.

It's just too late to do anything else.