Who thinks there should be another referendum

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Who thinks there should be another referendum?
My mum says there shouldn't but my husband says there should be I'm not very sure.

What do u think?

No. I honestly think that if we did the result wouldn't change. It should change and we want it to change but I don't think it would.
People never react well to being called stupid, racist etc and I think they would vote the same way. It's all been handled very badly but I can see no point in starting again.

On the other hand the eu have treated us kinda bad

Although I think the original referendum was built on lies I don’t think another referendum will be helpful. I think the majority of those who voted leave will be indignant and will just vote leave again and if the new outcome was for remain then I fear that there would be riots on the streets and civil unrest like we’ve never seen before. It might be possible to justify another referendum on the type of ‘Brexit’ that we want in light of the current circumstances but I don’t think that T.May would ever allow that to happen because she hasn’t got enough power or support in her own party. This is a national crisis and I’m appalled at the way it being handled by politicians on all sides to be honest. The ones who dare speak up and offer any sensible solutions (such as Yyvette Cooper) get ignored. It couldn’t be anymore depressing.

No we should just bin the whole brexit thing as the world's most shit idea and pretend it never happened and never speak of it again.

So you are going to ignore the votes of 17.5 million people because it was a shit idea?

Where do you think those 17.5 million are going to go while you simply ignore/dismiss/eradicate their vote?

They are just going to say 'oh ok then'?

The way some of you just dismiss the opinion of significant proportions of the population because you don't agree with it is frightening . You know best and everyone who doesn't agree with you is misinformed, a fascist, a bigot, a racist, uneducated, old, stupid, gullible, not fit for purpose, xenophobic and their views should be completely ignored.

Incredible!

Yeah, they certainly haven't just let us do whatever the fuck we wanted. Whoever thought that a negotiation process would involve two competing interests and not just one side making demands and the other saying "yes" continually.

On the other hand the eu have treated us kinda bad

In what way?

No no more referenda. Please. Never again.

The discord created by the 2016 ref is so raw that another one would be a terrible idea and would solve nothing.

Umm they have been unwilling to engaged to negotiate a good brexit even though we have been in the eu for over 40 years

How can consulting the people in another vote be less democratic?

It is an argument only put forward by those Leavers who are anti democratic and cannot accept the UK has changed its mind.

The UK is heavily divided whatever happens but at least with a PV we definitely know what the UK wants based on some hard facts, which day by day are becoming more apparent.

If May & Cameron had governed for the nation instead of their party, we'd not be here in the first place... they are shameful politicians

The EU has shown an exemplary degree of patience with the U.K. since the referendum.

It is wrong to talk about a disenfranchised segment of the population when that segment voted for something that was not defined.

Wouldn’t anyone vote for utopia if utopia could be delivered?

I would like there to be another vote, but only on a specific agreement. We're in this position because no one knows what they voted for, including the government.

I am a remain supporter, but would vote leave if the right deal was available. But what may be the right deal for me most certainly won't be for others.

Can we just rewind a few years? Please...

So you are going to ignore the votes of 17.5 million people

Yes, that's basically what Switzerland did a few years ago. They had a referendum on ending freedom of movement, narrow win to end it. Government said ok, we'll research how to implement this. Came back a while later and said we're not doing it, it'll be too damaging to the country and the economy.

It's not a rise in fascism
Marine Le Pen - definitely not a fascist
Matteo Salvini in Italy - definitely not a fascist
Victor Orban - definitely not a fascist
etc etc

@rainbowsRcool The EU's negotiation team have been positive and forthcoming with the UK. But all we've offered in return is some farcical line up of Brexit secretaries that have the combined diplomatic skills of a newt.

It is an argument only put forward by those Leavers who are anti democratic and cannot accept the UK has changed its mind.

How do YOU know the UK has changed it's mind. Do you not see the ridiculousness of what you are saying. To know the UK as a collective has 'changed it's mind' you would need to have access to the thought process of 46.9 million eligible voters.

'The UK' is not some homogenous entity that thinks one way or the other. The sheer arrogance of suggesting 'it' has changed its mind is simply ridiculous.

There is nothing 'undemocratic' about a referendum. What is undemocratic is not accepting the results of one, once it has taken place and attempting to ignore, override, dismiss ... the votes of the individuals who each took themselves to a voting station and filled in a ballot paper.

Agreed they are newts but I don't agree with the rest

I think there should be a second referendum. I voted to leave but would now vote to remain. Democracy should accommodate people changing their minds especially with something as big as this.

No
because its more likely to make things worse not better

... the votes of the individuals who each took themselves to a voting station and filled in a ballot paper.

. . and each one voted for a different brexit. Hardly a democratic endorsement of what we've ended up with. Which, to be clear, didn't exist in 2016 so actually no one voted for it.

The way some of you just dismiss the opinion of significant proportions of the population because you don't agree with it is frightening . You know best and everyone who doesn't agree with you is misinformed, a fascist, a bigot, a racist, uneducated, old, stupid, gullible, not fit for purpose, xenophobic and their views should be completely ignored.
Oh FFS. No-one is 'dismissing the opinions etc etc...' The fact is that we have fannied around for 2.5 years trying to find an acceptable deal that will not totally screw the country, Theresa May has bent over backwards to try to appease the extreme ERG, has been prepared to risk peace in NI, and now people are whining that opinions are being dismissed when leaving in a non-damaging way has been exposed as an impossibility. Do you know whose opinions have REALLY been dismissed since June 2016? 48% of the population, who don't want this, are going to be negatively affected by it, and have just been expected to STFU.

It was advisory, not binding. There was no actual idea of what leaving would look like. We still don't know what leaving looks like , unless it's No Deal. If we leave without a deal then it is catastrophic for our country.

Why people think that another referendum would lead to civil unrest but the disaster of No Deal won't is utterly baffling. Guess which scenario the government are preparing the military for?

Also I wouldn't trust opinion polls. Looks like there were many shy Leavers in 2016. I don't think many people would say they supported Leave now due to the accusations of being thick, racist, xenophobic etc etc.

said we're not doing it, it'll be too damaging to the country and the economy

Sounds eminently sensible

Wouldn’t anyone vote for utopia if utopia could be delivered?
TBH people would vote for it even though it couldn't be delivered.

Why people think that another referendum would lead to civil unrest but the disaster of No Deal won't is utterly baffling. Guess which scenario the government are preparing the military for?
Quite.