Who thinks there should be another referendum

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Who thinks there should be another referendum?
My mum says there shouldn't but my husband says there should be I'm not very sure.

What do u think?

I don't accept that everyone wants No Deal: I think that's just what people are being led to believe

Genuine question. Who is leading them to 'believe' that No Deal is what they want?

Given that the Prime Minister, the leader of the opposition, the leader of the Lib Dems and all political parties in the House of Commons don't want 'no deal', (and many of them don't want to leave at all) who do you think is leading the public to believe that this is what they want?

Could it not just be that the ordinary person is just so fed up with the whole agonising, protracted, muddled, political process that they are just saying 'leave and be done with it - let's just get it over with'?

What do you think OP, after this long and entertainingly vigorous discussion?

Rees-Mogg, Farage, Johnson...

Many high profile Leave supporters, the ones who get an inordinate amount of media attention even though they're mere back bencher s(or no bencher in Farage's case) are all squawking for a No Deal. And a lot of people have been radicalized into thinking this is a good idea.

I agree No Deal should be off the table. People have unfortunately been led to believe that this is a sensible option, mainly by our actual government who don't believe this is true. Nobody in parliament supports it other than people who will personally benefit from it. They are all very rich and don't need to worry either way. Ordinary people have been told time and again that no deal is better than a bad deal as part of May's negotiating strategy which appears to amount to a don't blink competition (the EU have more eyes than us on a two per person ratio so have more people not blinking at any one time). We have now ended up with a bad deal likely (we are in a weak negotiating position and this will only get worse on exit, even if May's withdrawal agreement is passed) and so ordinary people are going on what they've been told, which is a blatant lie. Ordinary people will suffer in the event of No Deal and deserve to be told the truth.

I do agree that people are sick of the whole thing. What many people don't realise is that we are not done with it. This is going to go on for years. Maybe decades.

Rees-Mogg, Farage, Johnson.

Do you really think they have that much influence?

And please don't say - yes among the thick, stupid, racist etc. Your are speaking about more than half of the population of the UK and their dissatisfaction with EU isn't just about what Mogg, Farage and Boris say, nor does it have anything to do with being thick or racist.

A percentage perhaps, but not all of them. That is where I think Remainers have got it wrong. Collectively labelling and writing off those diverse individuals who disagree with them.

Do you really think they have that much influence?

Yes.

The BBC has made sure they have.

They all have loads of money. They can buy influence. They are extremely privileged and believe they should and do influence the proles. And the poorer everyone else is, the richer they get.

I mentioned nothing about 'thick and racist' so not sure why you're eager to assign that to me.

mentioned nothing about 'thick and racist' so not sure why you're eager to assign that to me.

Sorry Calloway you definitely didn't, and I apologise for bring that into the discussion. That was more about what has been written earlier in the thread and on other Brexit threads on this forum since the 2016 referendum.

Apologies.

If I was jumping out of a plane with a group of people I'd want to do a last check that everyone was still ok with it and examine the parachute safety.

Especially if you found out the parachutes are defective!!!

Calloway

I'm completely bemused by your comment that the BBC have ensured that Mogg, Farage and Boris have influence?

Why?

Because they've given them a platform?

They've also given a platform to prominent Remainers.

Are you suggesting the BBC has a pro-Brexit bias?

Because if you are, then I can direct you to a hundred forums where the contributors will say exactly the opposite.

And the poorer everyone else is, the richer they get.
It is just nuts to believe that there are fully functioning successful people walking amongst us who scheme to trash the nation just so they can make a bit more money that they don't even need.

Yes I am absolutely suggesting that the BBC has a pro-Brexit bias.

One example: Question Time. There are 73 British MEPs. And Question Time loves love an appearance by an MEP, as long as that MEP is a UKIPer.

It's nuts that there are such people, but there are. Take those who profited from the last stock market crash. You may not want to believe it but some people do get richer when others get poorer - especially those who have safe inherited wealth carefully squirrelled away.

i think they want to go down in history in a good way whether it is for self-glorification or out of a genuine desire to do good. If they were that driven by money they would not be in politics in the first place. They'd work like Buffet or Soros and cut off all emotional connection to their position taking.

If they were that driven by money they would not be in politics in the first place.

Except that a lot of them feel that to rule is their birthright. And don't forget that being in politics doesn't mean that many of them aren't earning huge money in side jobs.

No-one wants to go down in history as being responsible for trashing the nation. That wouldn't"t look good on the commemorative walls of Eton. They do it because they believe history will judge them well for it. It's about much more than money.

I think once Johnson said 'Fuck business' it was pretty clear that all critical reasoning had left the building.

It is just nuts to believe that there are fully functioning successful people walking amongst us who scheme to trash the nation just so they can make a bit more money that they don't even need.

If only that were true. But it’s not.

Yes we should have one, once parliament finally agree on something that will get through the HoC. It would be the prudent thing to do, much like I would re-evaluate after a survey came back, having previously put an offer in on a house.

There is no point.I voted to remain but see little point in holding a referendum to challenge the outcome of a referendum.
To some degree I agree with jitters2-i have family living and working in Belgium and Germany and there is a lot of discontentment regarding the EU.I firmly believe the EU are making it difficult to dissuade other countries from leaving.I am sick and tired of the whole debacle to be honest-lets just leave and get on with it.Parts of Europe need us just as much as we need them-the german car industry for example.

How many times does the ‘they need us as much we need them’ idea need to be debunked ffs

I don't want a referendum that has No Deal as an option. People are stupid enough to vote for it. Yes, I said the "s-word". If we actually no deal by "accident " I want Leave voters to have the wiggle room of saying that this isn't what they meant. If there was, instead, an actual majority for No Deal, I don't think I could have any respect for people who actually voted for it. They would be the stupid fucking idiots that I try to say Leave voters are not.

It's about much more than money.

Yes it's about power.

(And very little thought to the ordinary man. We're dispensible.)