Westministenders: A Special Place in Hell

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A quick start to a new thread (as I've not been paying attention this evening!).

May is looking to ditch the Malthouse Compromise. Cos its so rubbish.

The ERG look like they are splitting over it anyway.

Up to sixty Labour MPs could back the WA.

Half the ERG plus Labour Leave Rebels could be enough to get the WA over the line.

Donald Tusk, makes controversial comment by more or less stating the obvious.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Guide to Brexit Abbreviations and Terms

No, it's not the least bit funny
and if it's possible to make the situation even worse, that would do it.

Loving the REM Leavesquealing 🎶

Also loving formulating my logical arguments for an EU take over at Westminster. It feelz better to be pulling further the other way.

Leavesquealing 😂
That's how they went: 🤥 🤗 🤔 🤭 😰

Actually, I'm dead chuffed that a cursory google suggests Leavesplaining is a new word. It could be that I've coined a new word !

Bet it doesn't appear in the Daily Mail.

I wish I was as depressed as this two years ago. It might have helped counter some of the more knuckle-dragging assertions. Like a "Parklife" for Brexit.

Parklife ? Parklife ?

Parklife:

Can one hope that for Brexiteers it's more a case of "Losing My Religion?"

Although that's probably me in the corner, groaning.

'Leavesquealing, deserves a quiet night
I'm not sure all these people understand
It's not like years ago
The fear of getting caught
Of recklessness...'

How appropriate

We are in dire straits and a bit like when a company puts itself into administration or appoints receivers, we could try, just try, the same strategy.

I think of it as a sort of intervention. Our government is currently acting in a way likely to cause serious harm to itself and others. Action needs to be taken by a responsible party in order to reduce the possibility of harm and a plan created to enable a sustainable journey to recovery. I think this seems like a sensible treatment plan for a country clearly no longer fully in touch with reality.

Can you tell I've spent some time navigating the mental health system recently

The problem with assassination as a political tool is it generally achieves the diametric opposite of it's goal. Really it has to. Anyone who benefits from an assassination - especially one they planned - is effectively making themselves the next target. Given my choice of username, and family history, I know of several tales of assassinations that ultimately failed - with fatal results.

Assassination as a military tactic might be different. Although the Roman Empire post-republic doesn't really suggest so.

sam Coates Timess@SamCoatesTimes*

Owen Smith - I might quit Labour

• Tells @Emmabarnettt* of the “betrayal” of pushing thru brexit

• Confirms he is considering quitting the party but hasn’t made a decision yet

• Calls brexit “a nativist, nostalgic, right-wing, ideological programme”

Smith left shad cab in March

Assassination only works against individuals who don't have an organisation behind them to supply like-minded replacements handy of similar talent

Against an isolated dissident, it works well
Against a party apparatchik - pointless

Re Owen Smith, Interesting from him, A good job he didn't become Labour leader a couple of years back then, isn't it, if that's his attitude.

Please can we stop talking about assassination. Please.

OMG - May says she set out her clear position. Keeps repeating that she has been clear.

That means it will have been as clear as mud.

She also said she is going to deliver Brexit on time

....so given she's kicking the can down the road again and the backstop is not going to be changed, that means that to deliver Brexit on time = No Deal.

Do you think she practised her 'I am very cross and I will not be trifled with' expression at home with Philip? Ridiculous woman.

Nope, the Evil One doesn't want the Brexiter leaders either : 😂😂

waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/02/07/we-have-standards-here-satan-distances-himself-from-brexiteers/

Satan, also known as the Devil, confirmed that there was “absolutely no chance” politicians like Jacob Rees-Mogg, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Theresa May or any of those responsible for Brexit will ever step hoof in his fiery kingdom, pointing to total annihilation following death.

“We’ve some awful pricks down here, let me tell you, but I would rather genuflect to God himself before I let any of those steaming piles of cancer puss pass through my gates,” a worried looking Satan explained.

“Even hell has standards, and I will be fucked if I put my reputation on the line by letting those complete fucking arseholes start shit down here,”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/06/donald-tusks-special-place-in-hell-looks-like-where-we-are-right-now

Ken Clarke later observed Thornberry and Lidington as being two people struggling to find something to argue over
and that it was a pity they weren’t actually in charge of their respective parties.

Put them in a room for five minutes and they’d come up with a customs union proposal that would be passed with ease by MPs in an afternoon.
If only.
< yup. Liddington would be my choice if May went.
And Thornberry is miles cleverer than Corbyn (but so is a dead goldfish) >

May reminds me of a manager I used to have. She was one of those people who will say whatever she thinks the person she is talking to most wants to hear to the extent that she often said completely contradictory things to different people at different times. Inevitably this left her completely unable to deliver on her promises at which point she would usually dump the whole mess on me to sort out.

Over the years people who had originally thought she was wonderful finally caught on to the fact she did this and her reputation plummeted, she got more and more outrageous in her promises and I handed in my notice and left.

I get a distinct feeling that May does exactly the same thing but completely forgets that everything she says is reported in the press so everyone can see she is making contradictory promises to different people. Yet she ploughs on regardless.

Has the vote on the WA definitely been postponed? Officially?

bigly May - and almost all the HoC - haven't cottoned on to the fact that the EU can watch British TV and read British newspapers

An oversight that can happen to monolinguists of the thick persuasion
So unfair that all these foreigners can understand us, but we can't understand them
No wonder we're losing

I think TM has promised herself that she can resign on 30th March - once brexit is over the line. That's why she gets so pissy when people suggest an extension - she wants to give up, she's counting the days and the idea of adding on 90 more days just makes her want to weep with despair.

I'd have sympathy for her but ... I have no sympathy for her.

I think TM has promised herself that she can resign on 30th March - once brexit is over the line.

So wargaming that - with the WA it's relatively easy. She'd dump the whole mess on whichever Brexiteer has the balls to follow her (if any will. I can see a lot of families having their arsehole mainly-fathers suddenly foisted on them ..). From there it will be a slow crawl back to normalcy in as much as there's still everything to be negotiated. At that point, if we have a decent summer all the fizz will have gone. You might get the likes of Farage banging on, but that when he runs up against how thick most Brexiteers are, and has to hear Brexit ? What you on about mate ? It's all sorted, innit ?

Far more interesting is what happens if there is no-deal, and May resigns. She'd have the claim she "delivered Brexit", but what would a leadership contest look like against the chaos of no-deal ? I'm guessing that's the greater risk to the Tory party ?

If that's not too far from the actualite, then Mays insistence on flogging dragging the WA around Europe does have a perverse logic to it.

I wonder if Tusk deliberately made his comment about hell yesterday, so May can report that she has achieved something today by telling them off.

Love it 😂

I wonder if Tusk deliberately made his comment about hell yesterday, so May can report that she has achieved something today by telling them off.

It's slightly niggled me - it certainly wasn't an off-the-cuff remark so I'm intrigued about any other dimensions to it.

As some might guess, "Places in hell" immediately brings to mind Dante's Inferno ... which is a suitably non-English reference to troll Brexixteers with, in their own language. Too long since I read it to make any leaps there.

A cursory Google throws up an interesting recent provenance from the US - Madeline Albright (of all people)

www.goodreads.com/quotes/14328-there-is-a-special-place-in-hell-for-women-who

“There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women."

Alternatively - and pleasingly - he may have been paraphrasing Shakespeare, from The Tempest

“Hell is empty, and all the devils are here!”

In which case, he's just become my European of the decade ...