Westministenders: A Special Place in Hell

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A quick start to a new thread (as I've not been paying attention this evening!).

May is looking to ditch the Malthouse Compromise. Cos its so rubbish.

The ERG look like they are splitting over it anyway.

Up to sixty Labour MPs could back the WA.

Half the ERG plus Labour Leave Rebels could be enough to get the WA over the line.

Donald Tusk, makes controversial comment by more or less stating the obvious.

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Hi! Just butting into this thread, because there seems to be people who are very well informed about the whole Brexit debacle and the parliamentary processes going on, and hope you can help me understand something.

In my line of work, we have clear guidance from the relevant gov dept on what will happen in the event of a no deal exit or if the WA goes through. The proposals are entirely uncontroversial - it's not a political hot potato and there is no suggestion that anyone from any side of the political / remain / leave camps would object to them. The SIs implementing the no deal plan have been laid before parliament, and are "draft affirmative". So they still need to be formally approved, even if no one will object.

But, of course, our SIs are 5 amongst hundreds in process.

Am I right in thinking that time has run out to get all the pending SIs through before 29 March? So if we crash out with no deal and the SIs have not been voted through, what then?

This question certainly applies equally to SIs in areas of law which are far more critical than the area I'm interested in. But we need to advise overseas clients whether to take action to protect themselves in case what the gov has said all along they will do, can't happen because they've made such a pigs ear of it all!

Flossie - don't the Henry VIII powers that have been activated give ministers the individual power to trigger an SI without normal process?
So pending SIs could just appear without drafts etc being public and debated?

loving lonelyplanetmums plan for a coterie of remainers to take over and dave the say, Yep, can't see any problems with that at all.

Absolutely yes to an English Parliament in Hull btw, making it rotate could be technically tricky though, and v. expensive

Bit like one that moves from Brussels to Strasbourg for 4 days a month for no good reason really.

I've just emailed my MP to plead with him to help get this clusterfuck sorted.

I don't know! I'm not a proper lawyer, so I've never had to think about this before. Normally, we look at any proposed changes, to see what's on the horizon, advise clients if necessary, and just wait for it to become law.

Trying to understand the difference between the "Starmer doctrine" and staying in the EU ? Especially as it seeks to give the UK a say in EU trade deals in future ?

Flossie The real problem is getting the WA passed.
When / if that is passed, the enabling legislation will also be passed, by hook or by crook
< especially crook >

The govt has a few options to do this:

They might use the new Henry VIII powers
or use emergency powers from the Civil Contingencies ACt to pass laws without Parliamanetary votes

Alernatively, if they asked for a 3 month A50 extension just to give time to pass laws in the normal way, I'm pretty sure no EU member would veto this

DG imo, looks like a kissing cousin of BINO

Let's hope it happens !

Is anyone taking bets on the date that the CCA will be implemented yet? 20th of March? 2nd of April? Is there really much chance of it not happening at all?

Of course the CCA may be moot. After all, no parliament can bind its successors, so any parliament can just scrap it with a vote. It may contain clauses intended to prevent that, but that's why we have a sovereign parliament ....

But it can only do that if the documents have been prepared, and parliamentary experts say government departments are having difficulty drafting them quickly enough

Suggesting they will be full of internal contradictions and clash with existing laws. I hope our judges are prepared to put some overtime in ?

Mind you, the rule of law is pretty old hat these days. There's probably an app for that.

Had a wee smile looking in my junk email to see an email from Quatar where a crown prince is seeking to place his fortune in a stable country ....

I think that if the WA is passed, we don't need these SIs to go through yet, as the existing EU rights will continue to be effective in the UK until the end of a transitional period. Or maybe we need different SIs to go through to cover that eventually.

I have e mailed my MP as well.

My two e mails have been very polite and short but I have had no reply.

Ah Louise I'm glad a Leaver has commented and glad you like the idea. It's not just a coterie of UK remainers I'm suggesting, you misunderstood.

TM has been asking the EU to come forward with new ideas to get HoC approval for the WA. I thought we could trial ( just a trial) a temporary EU takeover. We are in dire straits and a bit like when a company puts itself into administration or appoints receivers, we could try, just try, the same strategy.

I am suggesting a new UK Parliament jointly staffed by a panel of experienced Belgian ,French,German etc politicians. It could be headed up by someone experienced and highly skilled like Tusk or Vethofstadt. To make it fair they could be shadowed or work jointly with some UK politicians too- JRM if you like. A joint collaborative new Parliament based initially in Hull then say Stoke - why not. It would be a shake up, which everyone wants.

Why on Earth not?

Oops, TM's car had an anti-Brexit supporter 'jump' in front of it holding a sign saying "Don't crash out!" in Brussels. From the footage it looks like he wanted to step in front but as manhandled a bit more into the car...
First time she's encountered one of those so far. I'm sure the Brexiteers would do a lot worse!

Link if anyone wants to watch a man hold a sign in front of May's car in Brussels I suspect Leavers will make something of it.

He's an idiot and deserves to be charged

She's an idiot too, but I don't think there is an international criminal offence of "being an idiot in charge of a country"

Trying to explain to my mum and she's said that the eu are controlling the world by saying no to May. I have explained that a deal needs to be agreed by all EU28, that it's not a unilateral decision for the uk to make. Oh. And NI. Major stumbling block for which there is no apparent solution except remain. Oh. But surely they must have had some kind of plan to start with?? No, they didn't. Oh. Well PC, thanks for depressing me I'll let you go pick up my granddaughter from school now. Ok mum, keep stockpiling.

Bloody Leavers. If she wasn't my mum... She has seen the error of her vote but the damage is done. She's 80 this year, very low income, prone to broken bones, and will be severely affected by no deal. She wishes she hadn't voted leave but says she didn't really know what she was voting for but thought we'd be better out 

If this was the US someone would have tried to assassinate her by now

From Andrea Leadsom's mindless utterings, she apparently thinks Tusk is an "EU Commissioner"

(He is the President of the European Council)

^2.5 years on and she is still as pig ignorant as ever
... and still in Cabinet, as Leader of the HoC^

Not even as a joke, please.

It's hard to keep up with all the leaversquealing that appears to have started. They're desperately trying to blame the EU, and in the fora I inhabit off-MN (interesting Venn diagram ...) much like on here, are having their arses handed to them on a plate.

Leavesquealing ... has a sort of should-have-been-an-REM-song ring to it ?

(back to tunes for Brexit )

Leavesquealing what happens when people challenge Leavesplaining with facts .....