Westministenders: A Special Place in Hell

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A quick start to a new thread (as I've not been paying attention this evening!).

May is looking to ditch the Malthouse Compromise. Cos its so rubbish.

The ERG look like they are splitting over it anyway.

Up to sixty Labour MPs could back the WA.

Half the ERG plus Labour Leave Rebels could be enough to get the WA over the line.

Donald Tusk, makes controversial comment by more or less stating the obvious.

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Destiel and Juells I’m going to keep it up too. However, for some reason I’ve found the last two or three weeks, as I’ve started to feel more despondent and fearful of No Deal, I’ve also eased up on the prepping. I don’t really understand it but I just seem to have run out of steam. I feel really overwhelmed. It’s as though, whenI was just thinking in terms of food, medication and toiletries I could cope, but now I’m thinking more about extra stuff we might need if there’s a real breakdown of infrastructure. Water purification? Mouse/rat traps in case refuse becomes an issue? Fire extinguisher/ fire blankets?

I feel like I just want to crawl under the duvet and cry.

Jonathan Pie's take on whats going on

I know there's a developing theme on here worrying about civil unrest. Having lived in a country with rationing, food shortages, civil unrest, martial law etc etc, my tip is to keep your head down, keep in and keep your spirits up.
Which is a good tip generally and doesn't need to apply to civil unrest. Go out on your terms if you want to go out but are a bit nervous.

@bellinisurge we have recently discovered the Yahtzee and we all love it. I ordered new dice and score sheets off eBay and it keeps us occupied for ages. We've got lots of games, cards, dominoes, Lego, bricks, Magformers, geomags, and a library's worth of books so we have plenty to keep us entertained if we can't go out.

Yes, I'm preparing to stay home for at least a few weeks.
I've found my usual routine has gone a bit wonky. Although I've just had a few extra people here which probably makes me think it is messier than usual. I need to do a tip run this week for some things that smashed in the garden over the weekend and re-fill the car but then it feels like i'm waiting it out. I'm a bit broke for half term (stockpiling will do that!) but some friends have said they are too so we'll be crafting with them rather than spending on activities. I was previously doing well at de-cluttering but now I'm seeing everything as potentially dual purpose.

Sounds good @PerverseConverse . If anyone comes out with shit about how great it was in the forties/fifties/sixties/seventies, they were kids then (I was in sixties and seventies) and their parents will have worked bloody hard to keep things as fun and chilled as possible.
Lot of people on here are parents/carers and know how hard that job is.

I have friends and family who all voted differently, but in the family, we discussed it and explored what it all meant before the vote. I voted to leave and my mum and dad voted to remain. For me it was not about the economy but who is in charge really. I never voted for any of the 7 current presidents of the EU, or anyone in the commission and that's the reason I voted to leave. If it's just about being in a club then join the 2nd biggest trading partner and get guaranteed free speech in a constitution that's based on our Magna Carter. If being in a club is more important than the clubs politics then we really could join the USA. Just saying that it's not just about "jobs." it's about a whole boatload of other stuff as well and its the other stuff that made me want to leave. Just saying.

When did you vote for the Prime Minister of the UK? redpilled

You didn't vote for the Queen, the House of Lords, or - directly - for the PM
The PM is selected by being the person who can get a majority of MPs' votes in the House of Commons

EU Commissioners are allocated to each country and the UK could have chosen to let you directly elect them,
but instead the elected UK government chose to appoint them

The President of the EU used to be appointed by a majority vote of the elected heads of government of the 28 EU members,
but Juncker was elected by the elected MEPs in the European Parliament, who said they wanted this power directly

I have zero interest these days in any of the rationalisations for why people voted the way they did.

All I care about is how I can try to protect my family from the epic clusterfuck that is coming because of the way this government has chosen to conduct the mandate to leave. This is going to be hell, and I blame anyone who cheered this on - ministers, MPs, journalists, voters.

I am so angry.

Sadly you were given the illusion of control with your vote at the Referendum Redpilled

bellini, thank you. I think I’m working myself into a bit of a lather. I can cope with the idea of having to stay indoors for a while, I suppose what i’m most worried about is the idea of people trying to break in while we’re at home. Just me and disabled DH. Though I suppose that’s an extreme scenario.

In the US Congress, the Republican Party has sadly gerrymandered the Congressional districts, to try to minimise the effect of Democratic voters, especially poor and African American ones

Our Magna Carta allowed for the Highland Clearances and the situation that brought about the Irish potato famine.
FPTP is an awful outmoded system, we need review and total overhaul.

No desire to become Airstrip one.

As clubs go EU is the least offensive. We have a seat at the top table. We have a very cushy deal. In the EU we can stand shoulder to shoulder with China, US or Russia. We no longer have an empire, alone we are not too important.

Try to de-lather, Babooshka I'd be astonished if it gets as bad as your fears.

At worst - e.g. if we have Grayling still in charge of transporting food supplies to the UK -
there would be shortages of fruit & veg especially, as well as the cuts of meat & types of fish that UK consumers prefer.

Meds are a concern if ports are logjammed for more than a few weeks,
but I'd expect the military to fly in meds from the continent and then distribute them in the UK if it gets that bad.

If there is civil disorder, then there would probably be a general increase in crime, as normal social constraints weaken.
Again at worst, that might mean a few riots and break-ins around supermarkets and in the high streets if stocks run very low in some areas,
but I really don't expect burglaries of private homes for food.

The worst effects of No Deal if it continues beyond a month or two would be on business, especially exporters, who might pull out / cut down staff / go broke,
so unemployment would probably also spike

There are usually only about 150 seats where your vote in a GE has any meaning - the other 500 are safe seats for any donkey with the appropriate coloured rosette,
barring a political earthquake

Brexit could distort the next GE and give more chance for upsets, but thereafter business as usual will resume in GEs.

In European Parliamentary elections, every vote matters, because it is under PR

In the 51st state, you could enjoy the Bonfire of Workers Rights that the Atlantic bridge mob and the ERG keep touting.

So you can lose all those pesky rights, e.g.

• not to be fired without notice even after 20 years service, just for cost-cutting
• minimum 20 days paid holiday plus bank holidays - many US employees even in large firms only get 2 weeks
• paid maternity leave
• the right to free healthcare, instead of dying or being disabled if you're too poor to afford it, or going bankrupt paying medical expenses of long illnesses like cancer if you - or your child - exceed the lifetime limit of your policy .....

Maybe OT, Maybe not, but catching "The News Quiz" yesterday there was a story about Poundland engagement rings

(bear with me)

it struck me and DW (and it seems 20,000 other folk) as actually a good idea - a placeholder £1 ring which somehow seems to capture the heart of engagement being a moment in time, rather than a moment in money.

Is this a sign of something bigger - a rejection of consumerism bought about buy sustained austerity for over a decade ?

No one would laugh harder than me if austerity started to dry up the hosepipes of cash feeding the bigger retailers. Imagine the horror at de Beers when new of £1 engagement rings started trickling in ....

Unintended consequences ...

and of course those states where you can be forced to give birth even if it would permanently disable you,
not be allowed to receive essential medical treatment because it might risk the baby you are being forced to have

Then there are those states which investigate women who have had miscarriages in case they actually had abortions, so you can be arrested, tried and jailed if your miscarriage can't be proved genuine

That's only poor women of course, because most mc and all rich women can just travel to a state which has abortion easily available

£1 engagement rings ?

Why not just tie a bit of string around your finger, or mark around it with crayon

Radio 4 this morning was depressing. 1 woman even said that she wished Brexit supporters would use violence like the Gilets Jaunes in France.

Try to de-lather

The issue for me here (as a professional forecaster) is how you make predictions about Brexit when we have no obviously similar events to compare it with, and very little visibility about how this government might act in a post no-deal scenario.

It's very difficult to judge the risks - some people think that the EU will be content to turn the screws on the British economy gradually rather than risking the worst case scenario (a failed state) - but this scenario presupposes that the EU will put continuity (for its exporters) above the integrity of the single market.

She didn't use the word violence, but her meaning was clear. The presenter gave her a very reluctant warning about not being allowed to advocate violence on the radio.

iirc it was jas comparing attitudes here re Labour vs Tory:

We've said quite a few times that
the Tory party deserves to be wiped out, because Brexit is their parfty catfight that got out of hand.

With up to 100 ERG members & hard right sympathisers, plus a batshit hard right party membership,
the Tories are too toxic to ever again be trusted with power,
so they need to be replaced by a new right of centre party

Labour just need to replace Corbyn and his cabal with some of the decent MPs they have
and then they can become an effective left of centre party again