Fuck you Jeremy Corbyn

[MrsNathanDrake]

That's all really.

Was still naively hoping the prospect of losing the under 25s vote may pull him back, but he's clearly far to far gone for that.

Have been a lifelong Labour voter and we have a fantastic Labour MP here. Still, I cannot see me ever voting for them again.

"Right wing EU"

You what !!??

Rhubarbisevil I'm on several labour discussion pages and what you have said about hoping for civil unrest is very much in evidence from the Bromentum types. It's fucking juvenile. They honestly are hoping for post-brexit chaos "so we can get rid of this government". Party politics is more important to them than food shortages, troops on the streets and people not having essential medication.

They remind me of the most unhinged brexiters on the other side - this attitude of yes it might be difficult but it's worth it if it gets us what we want.

JC dare not wipe his party even if he wanted to, he ignored the whip so much as a back bencher, he'd be a total hypocrite if he did.

Arnodillo momentum are campaigning for a second referendum so how are they looking for post Brexit chaos?

What do you mean he wouldn’t dare whip his party, Double? He whipped them to vote for Article 50 to be triggered.

Which was one of the worst political decisions ever, triggering Article 50 with no plan or idea of how to implement Brexit.

Just reporting what momentum members have said in discussions I'm a part of

Regarding corbyn being of the hard left, there was an article a while back comparing a 1970s Labour manifesto with the 2017 one. The consensus was that the most recent one was fairly centrist, certainly not extreme !
What worries me is that there's this emerging mantra that somehow Labour's role in this whole disaster is equally as negligent and ineffectual as that of the Tories which is obviously not the whole story. Brexit is a Tory owned shit show but it serves their agenda if they can drag Labour down with them and dilute their own culpability. It's noticeable how in the media - question time for example - the discussion invariably now turns to Labour's inadequacy rather than the true lunatic's woeful conduct. Btw I'm not an apologist for Corbyn, think he's a deplorable leader and wouldn't vote for Labour anytime soon with him at the helm but the Tories are arch manipulators and,adept at moulding public opinion !

I’ve been a long time labour member and cancelled my membership the other year due to Corbyn, the nasty undercurrent affecting the party at all levels, and the abysmal position on Brexit and HS2.

I’m not ashamed to admit I’m too much of a centre-left Blair-Brown Babe for the standards of the current party: in my experience/opinion working people, and vulnerable people needing support, were a lot better off under their regime.

I don’t know who I will vote for next: I actually like our Labour candidate, but edging towards the Greens on a party political level.

But yes OP, despite all my waffle, I totally agree: fuck you Jeremy Corbyn!

Caucasianchalkcircles Agree.

Also, pro remain tories who backed Cameron in 2015 need someone to blame, other than their culpability.

Overall, Labour membership want a PV or a Revoke.

do not blame JC for Brexit, it was a tory manifesto promise and those who voted tory in 2015 are far more to blame than JC/Labour & remember, Lab had a moderate leader back then but pro EU voters still voted Tory - did you really not think?

Labours stance on Brexit, is in many ways irrelevant, the far right Tories are in charge, led by May (who makes Mariane le Pen seem a centralist) who sees her place in history as the PM who took the UK out of the EU and will do whatever it takes to do that whatever the cost to the UK but not her party.

imho there is nothing Lab could have done to stop brexit or even modify it, they are damned if they do damned ..

Agree. Don't get the Corbyn hate.

Agree. Don't get the Corbyn hate.

That he’s disliked and mocked for his half-arsed opposition to Brexit (because he’s a Brexiteer) is just one thing. His less than inspiring handling of the anti-Semitism problem is another. His comments about Venezuela is another. His stance on Novichok and Russia is another. And so on.

Genuine questions for those who are defending Corbyn :

1, If you voted Leave ; why did you support Tory Brexit?

2, If you voted Remain, did you support Corbyn’s decision to whip his MPs to vote for Article 50 on 1st February 2017?

Firstly, i am not defending JC per se only that it is incorrect to blame him, even partly for brexit.

He is a terrible leader, regardless of Brexit.

If you voted Remain, did you support Corbyn’s decision to whip his MPs to vote for Article 50 on 1st February 2017?

No, but it would have got through regardless, only 1 tory voted against and plenty of Lab MPs would have supported it even in a free vote.

The bottom line is that labour do not have the numbers to mould, let alone stop brexit, unless significant Cons vote with them.

Brexit is a tory policy, try not to forget that.

No, but it would have got through regardless, only 1 tory voted against and plenty of Lab MPs would have supported it even in a free vote.

SO WHY DID HE WHIP THEM??

He didn’t need to, he wanted to. He demanded that Article 50 be triggered the day after the referendum. It makes Brexit a Labour, and in particular a Corbyn affair as well.

Of course Brexit is a Tory policy. That’s the whole point.

The reason why so many of us who are on the liberal left and voted Remain are so disgusted with Corbyn is that he has consistently enabled Brexit, rather than opposing it, at every single stage. That is why he has lost our support.

Jsmith99 I don't dispute much of what you say, i just don't blame Labour for brexit. I blame the tories and esp pro europeans who voted for them in 2015.
Who, i believe, after all this, will still vote tory at the next GE.

You can blame the Tories and Labour, you know. They are both in this together.

Especially now Corbyn is showing willing to push through the Tories WA for them.

tuckered.co.uk/2019/02/07/i-knew-hed-betray-us-he-was-supposed-to-save-us-all-but-now-hes-thrown-us-all-under-the-brexit-bus/

Brexit was voted for by members of all the different political parties.
It is not a Tory idea, get over it if you didn't support Brexit.
The irony of the whole thing is May didn't want it, and Corbyn did.

Rubbish Vicky1990 brexit is through and through a tory policy, the only party with a referendum in their manifesto in 2015, which they enacted and then carried it out.

Labour voters were 65/35 in favour of remain, the tories were 70/30 to leave.

Just because now it has turned out to be an international cock up, doesn't make brexit a cross party policy.

JC may have his faults but no way is he or the Labour party responsible for Brexit. David Cameron and the Tory party gave the country the referendum without any thought as to what the frick would happen with a leave win. And people say it was the ordinary people who voted leave that were stupid. No, it was the self centred tories. Who in their right mind would ever vote for that lot again?

Who in their right mind would ever vote for that lot again?

Fair, but it overlooks the fact that Corbyn is an even less attractive choice for most voters than are the Tory headbangers.

"Brexit was voted for by members of all the different political parties."

This is not true Vicky and you shouldn't be writing untruths online. You can check online who voted to trigger Article 50. Not all parties did.

brexit is through and through a tory policy

Brexit is a Tory policy that Labour has failed to oppose. And since the 2017 election I think one can reasonably use the term "enabling" to describe Labour's approach to Brexit.

It's a bit like the sad revelation when you realise that one of your parents was/is toxic: you also often need to acknowledge that the other parent enabled that toxicity