Why are people being so utterly vile?

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Not on here, but online in general. I know tensions are running high, and people have very polarised viewpoints, but the level of vitriol and blatant racism is shocking. I’ve come to accept it as normal from the likes of the daily mail comments, but it’s even on Facebook - with their photo, name and place of work attached.

(And yes, before anyone says it, remainers can be pretty unpleasant calling leavers thick etc.)

I voted Leave.

I don't agree with the billions wasted in the EU to corruption and don't think we should be dropping billions into the budget to contribute to it. I'd rather those billions went into our own economy and social system as opposed to bent officials. This report is from 2016. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/corrupt-european-countries-costing-eu-nearly-800bn-a-year-says-study-a6944436.html

We all have our own points of view. Different doesn't mean wrong and frankly the remain frenzy on here is becoming tiresome.

CatnissEverdene that's a report by the EU to try to stop corruption. It doesn't say the EU is corrupt.

Why are people being utterly vile?
Because half the country has voted to strip away the rights of the other half of the country.

CatnissEverdene
It is also from March 2016, old news.
Since you are so incensed by corruption, maybe investigate Russian and other money buying up London.

I'm also in Scotland and don't know anyone who admits to voting leave. I don't have a very small social circle

Brexitbingo. Where did you read this?
It's common sense that uncontrolled free movement will push up housing costs. But you probably don't believe in common sense so here it is researched by a reputable body:

"The MAC did find an effect in both private and social housing, though. Its analysis suggests that migration has increased house prices and added to the demand for social housing, "inevitably at the expense of others"."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45565124

Catniss. We all have our own points of view. Different doesn't mean wrong and frankly the remain frenzy on here is becoming tiresome.
Well said.

How can you not know anyone who voted leave?! You must have a very small circle of people

Nope.

I simply don’t believe you don’t know anyone who voted Leave

I’m not sure why you think I’d take the trouble to lie?

I fully understand the difficulty of a divisive referendum (Scottish remember?) But where I live this one really, really wasn’t divisive.

( In fact it brought people who fell out over the Indy ref back together).

Let’s look at the stats.

Nationally the vote was 52%:48% for Leave.

But where I live it was well over 70% for remain.

Statistically you were more likely to vote Leave if you were older, lower income and had a lower educational
attainment.*

Additionally the area you live in had an effect on your vote.

So in a low skill area even if you personally have a degree you were more likely to vote Leave.

And vice versa. In high skill areas you were more like to vote remain even if you didn’t do any further education.

Taking that all together:

I am educated to graduate degree level, with a high salary, living in an area where both those things are the norm (across all age ranges).

Further to that I work in an international, high skill industry.

So in my area less than 30% of people voted Leave. And it’s statistically likely that those people were older, lower income, less educated.

But my circle of friends, family and colleagues are generally very educated, very well paid and work for international companies, are academics or are business owners.

The people I know who aren’t graduates are mostly high earning too, but even those who aren’t tend to work for business that will be materially damaged by Brexit.

Statistically it’s perfectly possible just not to know anyone who voted for Brexit.

Just as in previous elections it was perfectly possible for people in lots of Scottish constituencies not to know anyone who voted Conservative.

Scotland votes differently to the rest of the U.K. at almost every election.

It’s why we are mostly frustrated and angry post general elections. Our votes rarely count.

• And yes I know that there are also very clever, very rich people who voted for Brexit but they don’t reflect the national picture.

My parent voted leave so that we could catch our own fish🙄

I voted leave I am neither vile nor Racist and the only nasty horrible comments I ever see are on threads like this from people who voted remain and make sweeping generalisations about people who voted leave. Im also definitely NOT Tory. We are all entitled to our own points of view and frankly I’m sick to death of all this and can’t wait for it all to be over.

@Beckyboo123
But you voted for this, surely you must be enjoying it, especially since it's so close now

It won't be over for another decade. It's all we will hear for years and years as it's going to ruin change everything.

Unless TM has the guts to put a stop to it that is.

We are all entitled to our own points of view and frankly I’m sick to death of all this and can’t wait for it all to be over.

You are absolutely entitled to your own viewpoint Becky but this isn’t going to be over for a very long time.

It’s a fundamental change to almost every aspect of our national life. It’s really complicated and really difficult and the repercussions will go on for years.

We’re all going to talking about Brexit for the foreseeable future.

Yes beckyboo we're now at the threshold of the golden new dawn. I'm guessing you're therefore ecstatic. After all, you made the right decision, didn't you. Peachy.

I only know two people who voted leave, both colleagues. One is now silent in any discussions we have. The other said that food shortages would be good because she needed to lose a bit of weight.

The rest of her colleagues' reactions to that last remark is a good example of how people are more polite in real life as nobody said anything. That wasn't because we were thinking she was making any fucking sense or that her view was valid though.

Nissan is just the start of the jobs exodus, hope Leavers are still convinced

All these poor remainers crying because you didn't get the result you wanted. Get over it, stop moaning about us thick raciest tories and get a bloody grip, it happening regardless of your boring arguments.

Its analysis suggests that migration has increased house prices and added to the demand for social housing, "inevitably at the expense" of others.

Although migrants are a small fraction of people in social housing, they are a rising number.

However, the report concludes that the reduction in stock - because too few homes for social rent are being built - has a part to play too.

And it adds that the impact of migration on house prices cannot be seen "in isolation from other government policies".

Clicked on millionth's link to read - thought I'd add the following paragraphs to the quote. Good article explaining how immigrants from the EU benefit the economy overall and how the report couldn't find a negative effect on community.

Still it's more about perception. Easy to blame the outsider when things aren't going very well.

I would guess a fair few on this thread who are being abusive to Leavers are doing alright financially in life and fuck those that aren’t.
I feel it’s because they are pissed their future isn’t going to be rosy.
Have they not thought that many leavers perhaps felt they had nothing to lose in the first place.
I actually believe Brexit is being used as a cover for how things are going to the dogs in this country,but rather than have the blame laid at the Government,everyone will blame each other.

Having posted regularly on here for months on lots of threads to encourage people to do proportionate "forward purchasing ", the regular abuse I get appears to come from No Dealers. I have been doing the opposite of scaremongering by, ironically, encouraging people to take back control of a difficult and often worrying situation. I have explained that it can be done on a low income with little storage space.
Some people need to grow the fuck up and back the fuck down.

I voted leave. I wouldnt say there is anything particularly wrong with me. Well educated. Early 30s. Someone who said they are pissed off because their rights were stripped, so what if remain won, does that makes any leavers rights insignificant as their rights would then be 'stripped'? It was a vote. If you didn't get the outcome you wanted, it's shit. Same with any vote. Is what we are faced with the picture that was painted years ago? No. But were we living in an amazing country back then? No.

I live in a Leave area. Our local community Facebook page and the local MP Facebook page used to be full of an unrelenting diet of Leave means leave stuff. Gone a bit quiet on that front now. One of the leave voters among my fb "friends " used to fill their feed with much of the same. Only the odd one now.
To be honest, I think most people in real life are just keeping their heads down.

I actually believe Brexit is being used as a cover for how things are going to the dogs in this country,but rather than have the blame laid at the Government,everyone will blame each other

🙄 what a load of shit. Dh and I arrived in the UK 9 years ago with a backpack and enough rent money for 6 weeks. We bought and sold a house in London and left now living mortgage free in another country.

I don't have a degree although DH does but I have always earnt more than him.

No fucking way would this be my life if I was headed to the UK now as a backpacker. It IS Brexit that is sending your country to the docgs. Blaming each other? Only those that voted leave.

AnotherOne it's our rights as EU citizens we're losing. Not sure Leave side would have lost anything tangible if vote had gone the other way.