Why are people being so utterly vile?

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Not on here, but online in general. I know tensions are running high, and people have very polarised viewpoints, but the level of vitriol and blatant racism is shocking. I’ve come to accept it as normal from the likes of the daily mail comments, but it’s even on Facebook - with their photo, name and place of work attached.

(And yes, before anyone says it, remainers can be pretty unpleasant calling leavers thick etc.)

Because I'm pissed off we're being dragged into this shitstorm (I'm in Scotland) even though we voted 62% to remain.

I'm a tail-end baby boomer (64) who voted remain and doesn't know any leavers, because I move in a remain bubble, but I'm not offended by people pointing out that people my age voted leave

Correct me if I'm wrong or if I have misunderstood Mistigri but I thought you lived in France and were not eligible to vote in the EU Ref?

None of you know what those around you voted. Leave voters are less vocal. I work in uni education and more of my colleagues voted leave than remain and I’m in an area that voted remain but I know more leavers personally. And they’re across all ages and professions inc doctors, police, teachers etc

Thank you to all the baby boomers who voted remain.

Around here they voted Leave. Very vocal they were about it too. Lots of 'We won' gloating. In my opinion, whichever way people voted nobody won. .

Absolutely no one has the right to tell anyone they are wrong about their choice of democratic vote. No one has the right to feel their views are superior or more important as someone else’s. No one should demand justification for someone else’s views. If you are doing any of these things then you are a bigot and a fanatic, regardless of the side you are on.

True. Unfortunately my children didn't get to vote for their future whereas relatives who are no longer with us did get a vote.

Why do my children all now voting age not get a say in their future?

I do wonder though and it’s just a query. Why is it seen as honourable to vote for Scottish independence, but it’s backward to vote for UK independence? Not demanding justification, just want to know.

I agree with what you say about people being so disrespectful towards other peoples opinions. Just because Peter believes one thing and Paul believes another it doesn't make either of them right or wrong. I know one thing, i know im really bloody bored of it being all we seem to hear about. At the end of the day the world will still keep turning and oxygen will still be there. I hate how obnoxious its making people though who think they know best and consider themselves to be right regardless.

I do think we have the right to ask the Leavers how they intend to deliver the sunlit uplands we were promised. Not us random bods on the internet, but Gove, Johnson, Davis, Fox, Redwood, Lawson, etc, and in industry Dyson, Digby Jones and Martin of Wetherspoons. They have had two and a half years now, and were agitating for Leave before then so we should have some mighty thick volumes of their ideas with costings to work through.

Bohbell I have no issue with people holding opposing opinions, or having different beliefs or feelings to me. I am allowed to have an opinion on their opinion though. If I think it is based on tosh and nonsense, I will judge it as such.

Pere, political promises are always made and rarely delivered. It’s the ‘game’ of politics. We should also ask how labour intends to elevate millions of ppl out of poverty and where they’ll get the money to end austerity. All that will happen is that they’ll get in power on back of ther promises and bankrupt country like they did in 70s and 00s. It happens all the time.

The judge! Of what? People who don’t agree with your political preferences? Who do you think you are exactly?

"Judge" in this context is a verb, Bohbell, not a noun.

The judge! Of what? People who don’t agree with your political preferences? Who do you think you are exactly?

Yes, why not? Of course it's perfectly reasonable and sensible to make judgements about other people's political views. I can't imagine why it wouldn't be.

Everyone is entitled to judge someone else's opinion Bohbell , and everyone does it every day. Sometimes you will nod and agree and sometimes you will think well that sounds like tosh and nonsense. How you actually react is the crux of the matter

You’re right. There is no prob with that. Probs happen when the judger believes so much in their opinion they actively start to turn against the other.

Why is it seen as honourable to vote for Scottish independence, but it’s backward to vote for UK independence?
Because Scotland planned to stay in the EU
not to turn its back on the world

Lol - Europe is not the world!

Surferjet
The UK is currently in trade deals with much of the world
all of which will be torn up on Brexit day.
The vote represents the rejection of the global economy and integrated trade supply lines.

Japan's deal came through today for example.
The UK leaves that deal at the end of March.
It will wait many years for a replacement.

Pere, political promises are always made and rarely delivered. It’s the ‘game’ of politics.

This really confuses me about the Leavers. It's like "oh yeah, the people promoting Leave were lying (or at best misleading) but we all knew that and they didn't expect anyone to believe them so it doesn't matter".

But if that is the case then why did they bother saying it? All I can think is

1. It's a branding thing, like having pretty models advertise makeup. No one really believes the makeup is what makes the models pretty, but still no one would buy it if they showed it on real people. Which basically boils down to "People want to be lied to because they want to believe it at least while the advert is on"

or

2. The whole "oh yeah of course everyone knew Leave was lying, we all voted Leave for totally other reasons" is complete bollocks.

I do know quite a few Leavers despite not being one myself. Many of them are smart and educated, though perhaps a little over-confident in their cleverness, and not always the best at differentiating between objective observations and subjective conclusions.

Currently they are blaming UK politicians for doing it wrong and the EU for prioritising the EU over the UK.

I am not vile nor have I accused anyone else of being vile.
I am not thick and I was not tricked into voted Leave.
I voted leave because I want the UK to leave the EU.
Everyone I know voted leave.

Because Scotland planned to stay in the EU not to turn its back on the world Scottish independence is just as disastrous as Brexit.

I'm not being a coward. I wouldn't say it in person because I know it's not kind, and it would only inflame the situation
But you're throwing it around online - do you think it stops being unkind and inflammatory if you type it? If you're not a coward then post it under your real name.
Do you think that people who attack others online aren't bullies because they're not doing it face to face? That's the logic you're using. If you can't say it in person you shouldn't be saying it at all.

Bobbly, I’m not coming at this from leavers perspective. I tolerate remainers and their views and I expect mine to be tolerated in return. All I’m pointing out I that we surely have to tolerate one another to have a civilised society. After all intolerance of political views is no different from intolerance of religious views.

And still can’t see why Scottish people are allowed to take nationalistic stance and be celebrated as just and patriotic, whilst uk independent voters are nazis. Such hypocrisy.

Do you think that people who attack others online aren't bullies because they're not doing it face to face? That's the logic you're using. If you can't say it in person you shouldn't be saying it at all.

I don't think it's the same at all. Who are you to police what I say and the opinions I hold. I'm not bullying leavers, I'm making a judgement.