Good things that might happen

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We have lots of speculation about the bad consequences, and I do know some of it is quite likely and some are less likely. Some seem unavoidable too.

Are there any good things we can speculatively look forward to?
It just feels so scary right now, so hopefully somebody can give some of the positives that might happen and it can maybe be a silver lining on a very cloudy few months?

It has made Scottish Independence more likely.

But MN hates that so...

Good thing is Nissan now not going to build the x-trail in Sunderland. Lots of more people looking for work.

Thanks Dongding for highlighting my 'positive' post, which after all is what the thread is all about No!!

To who ever called me a numpty! Thanks, so articulate of you!
Power can be gained much more easily but gaining money in loads of other sectors without going to the trouble of entering politics. Who the hell would want all that crap flung at them daily just for some elusive power, who would want death threats, who would want their family threatened?
Our manufacturing of quality cars has little to do with own owns the companies but the quality of our brand and the quality of workmanship we are renowned for.

So many products are sent back and forward across the channel where the parts could be sourced in the UK and save a journey or two, that's what I'm talking about not starting from scratch developing a new car or something long term needing huge investment.

I'd be very surprised if we were 'flying in apples from South America'!

France has hived off much of the apple growing and Holland the flowers. There's nothing stopping us producing more of these things again as importing could become more expensive.

I know all about the fact that we will never be self sufficient but that shouldn't stop us making more of our own goods. What I'm saying is it may well become more economic to do so.

As for Sunderland and Nissan, yes I agree it's not good that they are saying you have pulled out of building their new SUV there but they are not building it in any other EU country so I feel that shows that they are having to rethink as it's manly a diesel car.
All businesses with trading a relationship with the EU are all going to be putting their investment in the UK on hold until they know what is happening with Brexit. The idea that we should hold on and delay a decision to leave is the worst thing that could happen so I really hope a deal is done quickly and there is less uncertainty.

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Who the hell would want all that crap flung at them daily just for some elusive power, who would want death threats, who would want their family threatened?

But it's not the Davises, Rees-Moggs, and Johnsons of Parliament who are getting the death threats. It's ones of more humble backgrounds and women like Anne Soubry.

Yes, I know that Rees-Mogg's children were threatened, but these were by anti-abortion people not anything to do with Brexit. There was also a feeling in some quarters that he could have kept his children out of the way, but chose to milk the situation.

Peregrina - there's a heck of a lot more than just Anna Soubry and JRM getting abuse. Ian Bone is an anti class anarchist, nothing to do with anti abortion. The face book hate I've seen to even potential candidates was appalling. Have you forgotten the murder of Jo Cocks?

I wouldn't wish that amount of hatred on anyone no matter their political persuasion.

As for Sunderland and Nissan, yes I agree it's not good that they are saying you have pulled out of building their new SUV there but they are not building it in any other EU country so I feel that shows that they are having to rethink as it's manly a diesel car.

That's the thing. This is less about Brexit and more about the market for diesel. The slowdown in the Chinese economy is also affecting the car industry. It is easy to just blame it on Brexit although the uncertainty around Brexit isn't helping things

Have you forgotten the murder of Jo Cocks?

Um.

Has who forgotten the murder of Jo Cox?

I think they mean Jo Cox, the one who the EU respect by having renamed a square in Brussels in her memory.

I guessed that but who was the question directed at?

Doubletrouble99 like many have said I too believe power and influence sadly motivates many of our current MPs, not all but a fair few. I think that is why they are currently doing such a poor job and why the county us so disillusioned with politics. Just watching the coverage of various votes the last few weeks has sickened me. The excited grins on their faces as they seem to resist the drama and 'play' politics.

So my positive is that if the Shit hits the fan the current mob will be thrown out and we will get a new fresh crop of politicians with a better kind of politics.

As an aside I work in manufacturing. I would say the workshop employees are all leave and not in the least worried. The front end who have contact with customers and suppliers are nervous as supply chain is frantically trying to reopen distribution centres in the UK and customers are demanding brexit plans. It also feels as if they are bringing work forward and stockpiling so we are likely to see a drop off in April no matter what. For my part, if I were to make a suggestion to my boss it would be far them to use any downturn as an opportunity to cut out the dead wood in the organisation and start afresh with new people when things look up. Assuming we are still there. Could be great for the company, not so great for some of my colleagues.

So many products are sent back and forward across the channel where the parts could be sourced in the UK and save a journey or two, that's what I'm talking about not starting from scratch developing a new car or something long term needing huge investment

Of course savings to be made but of course that cuts both ways, how long does anyone really think Airbus will continue manufacturing in the UK? or BMW ? PSA/Vauxhall ?

Does our Pharma stay here in a market of 60m and regulatory body based in Holland or move to a market of 450m?

All this is irrespective of a deal or not, no-deal just speeds it all up.

...and yes, when we do a FTA with S.Africa, they will still want to sell Apples to the UK, they are geared up for it and can produce far far cheaper than the uk.

The reasons we needed to join the EEC hasn't changed

I’ve been giving this some thought and I’ve got two!
The EU is going to become more unified and stable having seen the uttter shambles we’ve made of Brexiting.
Better for peace, economic stability and security in our part of the globe.

Lazy, venal, mendacious politicians are starting to be called out as a result of increased scrutiny caused by Brexit.
Hopefully, we’ll get a new crop who will be more careful with their facts and more thoughtful about the consequences of their political positions.

Still not worth it imho.

Since the referendum the combo of devalued pound and still being in the single market has been very good for the economy. Record employment etc. If we get May's vassal state deal maybe the pound will stay low and the jobs news will continue to be good.

As for Sunderland and Nissan, yes I agree it's not good that they are saying you have pulled out of building their new SUV there but they are not building it in any other EU country

To be built in Japan, can be shipped back to the EU tariff free, no such guarantee if built here.

@Millyonth what is the point of brexit? once we leave, Mays deal takes us out of CU and SM.
We were dong v well, better than now pre 2016.

Jas The point of Brexit is to be a self-governing country outside the EU.
The OP asked for good things that might happen in the current situation. I am pointing one out.

We were doing well in 2016 but there has since been a global slowdown. In 2019 we are doing better than expected and better than many of our peers.

I hadn't forgotten the murder of Jo Cox. A Labour MP murdered by a right winger. I doubt for one moment that the Tommy Robinsons of the world are going to threaten Rees-Mogg and his ilk, but any woman, preferably left wing, but certainly one who speaks out and isn't afraid to voice an opinion is fair game to them.

Lazy, venal, mendacious politicians are starting to be called out as a result of increased scrutiny caused by Brexit.
Hopefully, we’ll get a new crop who will be more careful with their facts and more thoughtful about the consequences of their political positions.
I wish I could believe this, but what Brexit has shown me is that politicians have got away with barefaced lies and other disgraceful behaviour and have barely been called out for it. Boris lied on the bus, lied about the Turks, denied he'd said what he'd said, and is still sitting in the house. With a few exeptions, MPs have demonstrated that they have no backbone and few morals. The leader of the opposition has failed to do his job opposing the government and is still bumbling away on the front benches, watching his party falling down in the polls and doing nothing about it. Brexit aside, let's not forget other recent scandals (eg Priti Patel breaking ministerial rules by meeting Israeli politicians while on 'holiday'). A few decades ago, Ministers would have resigned over things like this and probably lost their seats, but nowadays we see a complete lack of shame and an unfathomable tolerance for shameful behaviour.

Milly The point of Brexit is to be a self-governing country outside the EU
We already are!

In 2019 we are doing better than expected and better than many of our peers

All whilst in the EU, why risk this? why not demand we regenerate our economy? & use the brexit vote to seek changes in the rules of the EU in order to stay in?

But a brexit positive for me is that the tories claim that there is no money is bollox, they've billions to waste on this project and more to spend to secure Lab MPs votes and still have billions to spend on a new GPS system and a new gen fighter aircraft! all without taxes going up... we'll see.

Jas. Why not demand we regenerate our economy? & use the brexit vote to seek changes in the rules of the EU in order to stay in?
That would be the best of all possible world's. The first of your suggestions is possible but I'm afraid the second is not. The EU is quite fixed in its ideology. We do not have enough MEPs to change its direction of travel.

Jas. A brexit positive for me is that the tories claim that there is no money is bollox, they've billions to waste on this project and more to spend to secure Lab MPs votes.
Totally agree. I'm feeling more positive about UK politics than I have for years.

Milly That would be the best of all possible world's. The first of your suggestions is possible but I'm afraid the second is not

At least try? the EU have a habit of coming up with treaties that can be amended! Ukraine, Greenland and Germany's exception on polish workers.
the EU want us to stay, changes in FOM could be attainable, many countries in the EU are unhappy with FOM as it operates at present, we would be pushing at an open door and controls on immigration would be acceptable to most remainers and of course leavers too! it would be a way of bringing the country together and limit economic damage.
GFA would also be protected.

Once we are out of the EU, the money will very quickly dry up as the Tories get what they want and the economy slows, they ve zero intention of reversing the planned cuts to IHT and Corporation tax and have a huge over spend on HS2 - the same 100k tory members will still be selecting their MPs :(

Jas. If we could take the EU back to the old common market I would be very happy to stay in it.

I'm afraid their four freedoms are sacrosanct though. It's like a religious rule.