Good things that might happen

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We have lots of speculation about the bad consequences, and I do know some of it is quite likely and some are less likely. Some seem unavoidable too.

Are there any good things we can speculatively look forward to?
It just feels so scary right now, so hopefully somebody can give some of the positives that might happen and it can maybe be a silver lining on a very cloudy few months?

No it hasn't.

I visit exporters all the time through my job. It's always really high tech cutting edge stuff never mass production crap. Yet to meet one of them that's positive about Brexit.

Why do people keep saying the older people will die and so the younger will want to stay in the EU.
Younger people are less likely to vote and 28% of the population didn't bother.I expect quite a few MNers on here panicking on here about Brexit are among those.

I am panicking although I am probably not considered young (much to my disgust)

I can assure you I voted. Just like I have voted in every general election and local election for over 20 years.

My daughter asked what Brexit was the other day. I do not believe in lying to her. So I explained that people had voted
To take her future away.

She asked why they would do that. I could not answer that question..........

Interesting Jasjas but your experience of living in SA and the locally made products being crap has little or nothing to do with the UK. Have you forgotten that we make some of the most prestigious cars in the World?

We may produce them here but how long is that guaranteed for?

Bentley - owned by VW - German.
Mini - BMW, also German
Rolls Royce - Oh, hang on, also owned by BMW
Jaguar Landrover - Indian owned
Aston Martin - part owned by Ford, part owned by an Italian company

Morgan is still a British company - they produce less than 1500 cars a year.

Silver lining: this whole debacle has exposed the utter unsuitability of our current parliamentary model, 2 adversarial parties and FPTP for the kind of nuanced politics we now need, so the case for major reform has been made. Time to start pushing for major changes so we’re never mired in a clusterfuck of such epic proportions again.

One of the things I want to see is more of our food and manufacturing items that, at present go to and fro across the channel, grown or manufactured here. Brexit could make it much more economically viable to have home grown/manufactured items. The EU model has encouraged companies to purchase from the EU and import into the UK as they had not seen transportation times or import costs as a problem. I for one, am quite prepared to pay a bit more for UK grown apples and eat less Irish Beef. From an environmental point of view this has been a disaster so I really want retailers and manufacturing to relook at this and reduce the carbon foot print of products.

I’m not sure why this post has been ignored. It sounds like a definite positive to me!

Of course we would all like there to be more manufacturing in the Uk.

But it’s not really as simple as that. Where do the raw materials come from?

It sounds positive but leaves out the "no one can afford to buy it " bit.
Someone, presumably people who have moved their money in offshore, can afford to come in and make money out of economic chaos. JRM's dad wrote a book about the joys of disaster capitalism.

I won't ignore it.

Our cheap "apples" will be jetted in from South America or somewhere. It's going to be an environmental disaster.

One of the things I want to see is more of our food and manufacturing items that, at present go to and fro across the channel, grown or manufactured here.

If you recall your history books and think of the war and immediate postwar years, the foundations of the welfare state were laid then. But how did those foundations get built? People like Nye Bevan, had a vision of what health care could be like, based on the work happening in the S Wales coalfields. There were other visions like the Peckham Health Centre in London.

Where is the vision now e.g. for new manufacturing industries from the Leavers, who are the ones who should be taking the lead on this, because this is what they want? May promoted three prominent Leavers immediately in Fox, Davis and Johnson, and two of which were complete failures in their posts and an embarrassment to the UK, and Fox, still in post, doesn't appear to have lined up all those easy trade deals yet. What about the others? What manufacturing vision have we seen from Rees-Mogg? Have we seen him offer money for manufacturing?

Yes we could do a lot, but I have no confidence in the present shower to do anything but attempt to line their own pockets.

Brexit could make it much more economically viable to have home grown/manufactured items

No it won't
Costs 100s of billions to develop a new car brand, look how long it took the Koreans to make decent cars?

& it is not possible to grow enough (and a wide range of) foods, not the climate or soil types.

Deal or no-deal, we will have to replace those car and aero jobs that will be lost when these companies leave the UK.
The EU isn't going to sit idly by, they will go all out to get them moved to the mainland, as they will financial services.
The UK is about to become a competitor to the EU.

The only way we can compete with cheaper low tech items is lower standards and lower wages.

If being a stand alone country was such a brilliant idea, the UK in the 50s & 60s would have been a booming success story and not begging to join the EEC..... it is even harder to compete now as there is just soooooo much more competition.

We won’t all die !

Well, it's a start.

I think we are pretty adaptable as a nation...it’s in our blood to overcome adversity

True, but aren't you PISSED OFF it's adversity brought on by the UK itself???

Up thread someone mentioned the demise of the Tory Party.

I bloody wish. But in the Gaurdian, the Tories are ahead in the polls😞

Guardian!

The idea that JRM, NF and BJ are only in it for the money is just daft. If they were only interested in money they certainly wouldn't be in politics! These people are very expensively educated intelligent guys who could easily make a fortune in the city if that's what motivated them.

HAhahahahahaha!!!

POWER you numpty. It's money (which they have) AND power they want! They use the money they have to get to the power they crave.
Intelligent - well yes, enough to get to where they are but intelligence is only a tool. I don't like what they're using theirs for.

Never called anyone an idiot on here but I'm very very tempted.

There is no altruistic reason to support Leave as a political ideology. None.

From an environmental point of view this has been a disaster so I really want retailers and manufacturing to relook at this and reduce the carbon foot print of products

it’s unbelievable how deluded brexiteers are.

All environmental groups are against Brexit. Why? Because ending trade agreements with our closest neighbours in favour of possible trade agreements with countries the other side of the world is FAR more damaging to the environment.

How dare you? jRM, Farage, banks, Johnson have long historys of caring about ordinary people and the environment.

Brexiteers actually think that.

My daughter asked what Brexit was the other day. I do not believe in lying to her. So I explained that people had voted To take her future away.

I'm actually gobsmacked that you would say something like that to a child.

Perhaps brexiteers could give us a list of all the benefits and she could pass them on?

{Have you forgotten that we make some of the most prestigious cars in the World?}
The old Rolls Royces used Citroen air suspension for many years (they might still do) and the concept of a wholly 'British' made car died many years ago.
There are about 4 'British' car makers, producing expensive semi custom cars using parts sourced globally. Morgan, being one of them, cannot afford to make it's own engines.
The 500,000 loss stems from the tens of thousands employed in UK car assembly, but the many small companies that make parts for them. Companies in the UK that made parts for some of the 'German' makes, have been dropped from the German assembly plants as the German CBI strongly suggested that the European factories source all parts within Europe or other countries except the UK.

We are almost back to the Brexit as the Black Death that we had a year or so back. It's true that only the fittest survived, and so the stock of the European population was healthier, but how many didn't survive!

‘Care home and hospitals stockpile food.’

Well done brexiteers.

Dongdingdong Instead of Irish beef you can eat hormone-filled beef from the USA. We will have to lower our food safety standards if we want a trade deal with the US. Read up on their on US food regulations and find out the levels of rat droppings, for example, allowable (compared to a level of zero allowed under EU legislation).

Trying to establish a home-grown/home-reared food industry alongside what will be a punishing US trade deal won’t be easy. U.K. farmers won’t be able to compete against cheap, low standard US imports, and, as PP have said, what they do produce will be affordable only to the wealthy.

Sorry OP, I’d love to have a lengthy list of positives. There aren’t any, or certainly not any that come close to outweighing the negatives.