Good things that might happen

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We have lots of speculation about the bad consequences, and I do know some of it is quite likely and some are less likely. Some seem unavoidable too.

Are there any good things we can speculatively look forward to?
It just feels so scary right now, so hopefully somebody can give some of the positives that might happen and it can maybe be a silver lining on a very cloudy few months?

Ok so genuine question

For the record I don’t think we should have been given the vote from the very start but...,

There are many people in parliament and across industries who want to leave. Presumably these have access to as many facts as those in parliament who want to remain - way more facts than anyone on here. So if some of them still think it’ll be a good move to leave then why is everyone doom and gloom? Surely if it’s going to be as bad as what some on here are saying, they’d be no one in the know advocating it! Yet still many in knowledgable roles want to leave

Buttercups, party unity and political expediency, in short.

Because many of them see an opportunity to either make money personally or get power as "the only option " in the midst of chaos.

Like what?

All I've leant is some people are professionally angry. Some people can't and don't want to do critical thinking. Some people are easily persuaded.
And...Political parties have more loyalty to the party than the country.

Basically it's a polite wild west and brexit will reduce us to being less connected to our neighbours, both on a macro and micro level. It'll be a much more selfish world.

Social capital will go down and violence may then rise.

And it's not like ww2 there is no common cause to get behind. It'll just be resentment for decades.

Sorry to be so pessimistic. I'm v fed up today.

Learnt not leant

Once we get over the initial supply line problems, we will have less food waste as everyone makes the most of what they have/can afford.

Actually I think Brexit is worse than a natural disaster. I expect it is likely to kill many people (as UC has) but unlike a natural disaster the country is split down the middle with half the country deliberately bringing this about and the other half knowing this is what they've done. I can't see healing and forgiveness coming for a long, long time.

The only good thing is that Farage and the other useless UKIP MEPs get the boot. Will it stop the BBC always having Farage on as a spokesman though?

If things get really bad, we could end up like Greece - people giving up their kids as they can't afford to feed them. Which means childless couples who are struggling to conceive will be able to adopt more easily and have more choice! Every cloud and all that...

Buttercup, I try not to ascribe motives to Leave voters I haven't spoken to. I don't know what's in their head.

DS is a strong Leave supporter. He can only articulate his reasons as feelings. "I don't want to be controlled" and "We're fine without the EU". Occasionally he comes out with some demonstrable myth "They have never had their financial accounts verified!"

As for being informed means a person makes good decisions... look at Donald Trump. Security briefings every day... so naturally he disses his own intelligence agencies, believes Putin over them, ditched the Iran-Nuclear Accord & is trying to start a new Arms Race. No matter how many times it's explained to him, he doesn't understand why the USA has troops stationed in South Korea & he also thinks NATO does not serve US interests. Sees no benefit to USA in Paris Accord or from WTO. USA Border Force wants better slatted fences in places but would prefer many other measures if extra funding; Trump prefers a 'wall'. Supposedly Trump has asked a few times "Just why can't we use nuclear weapons against our enemies?"

Buttercup - it's in the interests of so many people to be all gloom and doom. Their natural instinct is to stick to the status quo and not want to rock the boat in any way shape or form. They are so ridged in their thinking that any positive suggestion about leaving is dismissed as unicorns, rainbows and sunny uplands or just ignored as mine was up thread. Scoffing at leavers has become a national pastime for many who don't actually have any specific ideas themselves and only spout historical facts, which of course leavers can't.
Remain politicians have used so many negative adjectives to describe Brexit that many remainers have become extremely fearful of the future. The description of us leaving with no deal has had the massive exaggeration of 'crashing out' or 'falling of a cliff' to describe it which is ridiculous but so many people really believe it that it's being described as some sort of Armageddon by many on these threads.
You can see very easily the types of people who work in specific organisations who will tend to support remain. Civil servants, Bank of England personnel and people who work in higher education and the NHS. So many people who are classed as experts work in these areas and their whole life experiences gives them bias against a leave vote. Many vocal remainers are middle class socialist types.

• You can see them a mile off on here when they talk about Brexit only being implemented because it will advantage the rich Tories who will make money out of it. The idea that JRM, NF and BJ are only in it for the money is just daft. If they were only interested in money they certainly wouldn't be in politics! These people are very expensively educated intelligent guys who could easily make a fortune in the city if that's what motivated them. Have these people on here never heard of the 'hierarchy of needs' - a need for money is way near the bottom. The left wing bias from so many is unbelievable.

People who have tended to work in private businesses or are self employed are more likely to be leave voters in my opinion. And yes they have plenty of ideas as to how this can work, they are the people who can think outside the box and are forward looking. The British are traditionally a more inventive, entrepreneurial and adventurous nation and many of us feel we are being 'held back' by the EU and can do so much better without them.

So many industries and organisations have developed their whole philosophy around making the most for them out of the EU but that's not necessarily the best for our country, our people, the poor of other nations or our environment. - farming, for instance in this country is completely skewed to take advantage of CAP subsidies.

In my opinion we need this kick up the back side to change so many things and look at the way things are run in this country for the good of the UK and not for the whole of Europe. One size does not fit all.

We have been self employed, owned a business which we started from scratch and employed staff, and now both run our own businesses - although I’m winding down towards early retirement due to health problems, and I don’t understand why anyone would vote to leave. So don’t speak for me, thanks

Doubletrouble99
Maslows heirarchy of needs, yes not a problem but although money itself is not at the pinnacle, having money can enable the top layers to be reached.
Since it is very likely that say half a million decent paying semi skilled jobs will be going, how about suggesting a few activities they can take up to replace their lost salaries rather than wildly suggesting that someone else has to think about it?

Well it seems that Nissan are no longer planning to build the X Trail model at Sunderland. Is that another good thing about Brexit?

But it’s all just a price to pay for getting out sovereignty back!

And @Doubletrouble if you admire JRM so
Much can you explain why he is moving his money to Ireland because of Brexit?

Why has Nigel Farage got his kids German passports?

And why does Boris Johnson feel the need to lie and lie and lie again?

I will agree it’s not
Just about money for them. It’s also about Power. They crave it.

Much can you explain why he is moving his money to Ireland because of Brexit?
Again. He has domiciled a new fund in Ireland. Asset managers have funds all over the place. Nothing to do with moving his own money anywhere. I doubt it is public knowledge where he keeps his own money. This is one for the Brexit bingo that you never see listed on these threads. And no, I'm not a fan of his.

I'm with you Megan, I certainly don't admire JRM et al. They are not my type at all but the idea that all these Tories are only in this for their personal gain is just daft. As you say Megan JRM is an asset manager by trade and the fact that his company has domiciled a new fund in Ireland has nothing to do with him or his own personal money.
BJ is just a twat and NF has a German wife so that may have something to do with the fact that his children have German passports.
Le Clerc -where do you get the idea that 500,000 jobs are going to go? which expert said that? Where did I say someone else can think about employing all these people?
Yes power definitely has some impact in people's thinking but there are other much easier ways to gain power without going into politics and have to put up with all the crap that that entails.
Costa -suggested that everyone who ran their own businesses voted leave. What type of business are you in?

We’ve had several over the years, eg manufacturing, transport

Doubletrouble99

What new opportunities are you planning on grabbing post Brexit?

I guess opportunities arise from all situations. Maybe entrepreneurs will find it will be cheaper to produce and sell some things in the UK instead of having to import them from the EU which will create some businesses here and help reduce our trade deficit

There will always be some opportunities for some people. E.g. during the war years DM and MIL got good quality well paid work which had only been open to men before and escaped being called up, so had it relatively comfortable.

Then of course the spivs and charlatans did OK on the black market.

Opportunities for some often create opportunities for others. An entrepreneur finds a business opportunity and that in turn can creates jobs which in turn stimulates demand as workers have money to spend

Maybe entrepreneurs will find it will be cheaper to produce and sell some things in the UK instead of having to import

V. true, i lived in SA in the early 90s, imports were v expensive, so local industry made stuff we couldn't afford from usa, japan or europe and it was fcuking crap.
So, the wealthy still imported BMWs Sony etc etc.

The cars made there under licence were 2 models old and were rubbish too......... but Cape wine was good :)
So maybe we'll see more English wine and craft beers? Hop production has fallen significantly since the 50s, so , post brexit, we can all look forward to getting p1ssed lol!

Interesting Jasjas but your experience of living in SA and the locally made products being crap has little or nothing to do with the UK. Have you forgotten that we make some of the most prestigious cars in the World?
People buy from us because of the quality and high standards, that's our big u.s.p. and we should never throw that way. Not for any deal with the US or anyone else.
We are not going back to the black market with spivs and charlatans Peregrina so don't bother equating opportunities post Brexit to that.
This is an opportunity to rethink supply chains and manufacture more parts in the UK. We shouldn't be growing so much produce just because it get a bigger subsidy but should be growing crops we have no need to import and can be grown here.

We are not going back to the black market with spivs and charlatans Peregrina so don't bother equating opportunities post Brexit to that.

LOL, there will always be spivs and charlatans, although we might think of new nicknames for them.

People buy from us because of the quality and high standards, that's our big u.s.p. and we should never throw that way.

That ship sailed about 50 years ago. British cars, British motorbikes? I don't remember either being wonderful before they got bought out by the Germans and Japanese.