Good things that might happen

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We have lots of speculation about the bad consequences, and I do know some of it is quite likely and some are less likely. Some seem unavoidable too.

Are there any good things we can speculatively look forward to?
It just feels so scary right now, so hopefully somebody can give some of the positives that might happen and it can maybe be a silver lining on a very cloudy few months?

We won’t all die

Perhaps that's what it should have said on the bus!

Tories are not done for unfortunately. Even most people who vote them agree that they're shit but still they keep voting them in.

Tories are done

And labour are unelectable

No need to overcome anything, the MPs should sort some sort of deal.

The stories about EU rules, some of that scares me too. I have seen so many stories of people who have won court cases because the EU decided something breached their human rights.
I'll be honest, I haven't looked too deeply into it because I bury my head in the sand, but how much of our human rights do we have the EU to thank for even? What will happen in future if people are treated unfairly but we have nobody higher up to complain to?

I can't understand the mentality of "surviving" and comparison to natural disasters.... YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE, ITS A CHOICE angry

How do we opt out? Our politicians have literally voted against every lifeline they've been thrown. Say what you want about SNP (not you, mumsnet in several seem to hate them) but they and plaid are the only ones not filibustering us into Armageddon Brexit.

Nope, can't think of anything good 😟

So the optimistic view is ‘not everyone will die’

That’s something to be proud of

The stories about EU rules, some of that scares me too.

Is it the DM or the Sun you're getting those stories from?

This is worth a read: rightsinfo.org/infographics/the-14-worst-human-rights-myths/

Here's one of the myths about the European Court of Human Rights in the link:

"The myth: The Daily Mail has reported that the UK loses 3 out of 4 Human Rights cases taken to the European Court of Human Rights. The Sun puts the figure at 3 out of 5.

What really happened: This is statistical nonsense. The UK actually only loses around 1 out of every 100 of claims brought against it in the European Court of Human Rights. Between 1,500-2,000 claims are brought against the UK each year, and the UK loses around 10 annually."

This makes for very sad viewing -

No Hester just generally when you hear stories about individuals who have won their cases. There was one recently, either BBC or ITV was on in the background, can't remember which now, just reporting on a man who had won his case because police were watching him and had no real reason to... Or something.

And it made me think of all the other times I'd heard of people wining their cases too, and then worried me that we wouldn't have that anymore.

Between 1,500-2,000 claims are brought against the UK each year,

This isn't right. The number of cases is less than that. This figure may include cases with a human rights element where our courts decide the issue? Only very few U.K. cases have ECHR judgments -it is on average 29 per year.

Also :
1. The ECHR is a completely different organisation to the EU.
2. The UK will still be signed up to the ECHR when it leaves the EU.
3. The U.K. courts processed roughly 3,822,536 civil and criminal cases last year. (I worked this out on another thread by looking at all the annual Court and tribunal statistics.)
4. In the ECHR between 1997- 2015 there have been an average of 29 U.K. cases a year. Of these an average of 15 cases found a violation of the Human Rights convention in the U.K.

So we have 0.00000759 % of our cases referred on to the ECHR.

Even if we weren’t staying in the ECHR (which we are) surely unrestricted access to a market on our doorstep worth $18.8 trillion of 500 million consumers would be worth 15 cases a year?

Hey we have Trade Deals with the Faroe Islands and Switzerland to look forward too

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8049#fullreport

I still think the ECHR is great for checks and balances (by the way) and I'm glad we are still referring our handful of cases there each year.

However I fully expect it to be next on the government's hit list.

Possibly seeking asylum in ROI? 🤷‍♀️

Scottish Independence?
Irish unification?
Bendy bananas?

I'm replying to your message at 22:39 re human rights. The Human rights act was introduced by the Labour government in 1997. It's got fuck all to do with the EU. It's to do with the a convention (drafted by UK lawyers) after the second world war.. Most countries adopted it into their domestic laws years and years ago. We, on the other hand, didnt, until 1997. All that meant was that UK citizens had to rely on the convention to seek redress. The 1997 Act simply meant we could use UK law instead of the convention

Sadly I don't even think we will "pull together and overcome" the thing that has caused this is the people, the entire country is polarised and I can only see it becoming more so.
In times of war, famine, natural disaster etc, there is a common "enemy" to fight against together. If Brexit really is a catastrophe the fingers will be firmly pointed at the people who voted for it

One good thing that will happen is that any future government will be forced to be completely accountable for all its decisions. No more blaming the EU for this, that and the other.

One of the things I want to see is more of our food and manufacturing items that, at present go to and fro across the channel, grown or manufactured here. Brexit could make it much more economically viable to have home grown/manufactured items. The EU model has encouraged companies to purchase from the EU and import into the UK as they had not seen transportation times or import costs as a problem. I for one, am quite prepared to pay a bit more for UK grown apples and eat less Irish Beef.
From an environmental point of view this has been a disaster so I really want retailers and manufacturing to relook at this and reduce the carbon foot print of products.

Me being right is something I would happily forgo.

HesterShaw21
fullfact.org/news/does-uk-lose-three-out-four-european-human-rights-cases/

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I think we will agree a deal to mitigate it, so our cost of living will likely rise by about ten percent, and we will keep the supply chains moving, but unemployment will increase and the cost of labour will need to decrease to incentivise companies to come here, we will lose much of our eu dictated worked rights,,,,,then maybe at some point in the future we will rejoin and then our cost of living will decrease again, we will get back our rights as employees and people will start getting jobs again as companies come back and we will all feel loaded in comparison to what we have just been through?

That's something to look forward to.