Honestly - how likely is it now that Brexit will never happen?

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There's just 57 days to go until we leave the EU.

Is there still a chance that Brexit will be stopped in some way, politicians will see sense, the whole thing will be called off and we will remain in the EU?

How likely is that to happen?

Why does it have to be bad.
May in was she can't keep punishing those who have nothing, why do you think she is so stuck now

@mummy you are sadly going to be hit a lot more than me if food prices rise considerably.

That’s just one example but it’s the one that will really really affect the poorest the most.

mummy2017, you are assuming the changes that will happen after we leave will be good and your life will be better. Have you ever considered the possibility that yes, there will be change, but it will mean that things will get even worse for you?

Look at the people who are shouting loudest for a no deal brexit. Do you really belive they are the sort of people who care about reducing inequality and improving the lives of those less fortunate than themselves? eg the millionaire Rees Mogg or the self centred self serving Boris Johnson?

They want change so that people like you lose the consumer and workers protections provided by the EU, so they can squeeze even more out of you to line their own pockets.

The EU is NOT perfect, but it's on your side, which is why the multimilionares pushing for brexit want us to leave so they can plunder the UK (ie ordinary people like you and me)! unregulated and unrestrained.

Why does it have to be bad.

Surely you've read all the economic predictions? You have heard that many companies will move out of the UK? You have seen that the pound is losing value? That food prices will rise? That the health system will lose staff?

Why do you think it won't be bad?

They want change so that people like you lose the consumer and workers protections provided by the EU, so they can squeeze even more out of you to line their own pockets.

Exactly! And if things go really tits up, and tax revenues shrink enormously they can greatly erode or even shut down the NHS and the welfare state.

And do not believe anything you read in the majority of the media. The multimillionaire businesses (who are itching to get their hands on even more of your money once you have been stripped of your rights and protections as a result of leaving the EU) are in bed with most of the media outlets newspapers etc and together they are spinning you a Web of lies to make you think the EU is your enemy when in fact they are your enemy and the EU is trying to protect you against them.

if I were the EU, I'd be glad to see the back of us though

So the EU doesn't want the billions we pay in to it?
So the EU doesn't want to export billions of pounds of goods to us?
Yeah right.

Well, so, you've exactly illustrated my point Kazzy. Most of Europe has been fantastically frustrated over many years with the UK's insistence on seeing the EU primarily as an economic project instead of a political one. We are a tedious ball and chain, constantly harping on about special treatment for this, more favourable terms for that. We have always failed to appreciate its status as an extraordinary peace project, and its concomitant prosperity as secondary to that.

In fairness to you, it was a complete missing of this point that caused the lacklustre remain campaign to get bogged down in the (entirely accurate) prognostications of economic gloom that have ever since been mocked as 'project fear'.

A lot of European journalism has explored at embarrassing length how fed up of us the EU is and how we could probably do with a spell in the naughty corner before coming back into the fold in a decade or so, hopefully with a bit of humility. I actually agree with that, but obviously wish very much all of us who aren't the problem wouldn't have to suffer in the meantime.

I see a pp has already set you straight about the monetary implications of your argument, so I won't bother to repeat that.

What about all the multi millionaires saying vote remain before the referendum? Or were they being purely altruistic?

@Silverdoe

We have no deal that we can agree on, the EU are currently standing firm, so if we can't agree on a deal, and leaving with no deal has been voted against, then what do we do? Of course she can ignore the vote. An extension does not guarantee that we'll be able to agree on a deal.

So the EU doesn't want the -billions-
we pay in to it?

0.7% of GDP actually.

Brexit means changes in this country, big changes . We want change... How hard is that to see. It is 100% better than the same old crap for ever and ever

Brexit does mean change, yes, but can you articulate how that will be better please? When every spectrum of the political sphere tells you it will be worse, inflation, huge increases in the cost of living, mass job losses, food shortages, an nhs crash, how do you feel it will be 100 percent better?

Can you articulate what you know, that everyone else doesn't? Can you tell everyone? The banks, the politicians, business,supermarkets, pharmacetucials, oil, tell them how in your view it will be better?

Don't just say it will be better. Explain it. Millions of people need to know what you know.

No, the blame lies at David Camerons feet where it belongs for calling the referendum in the first place. Where is he anyway?

Probably in his £25,000 garden shed.

I don’t think it is going to happen.

It's already happened.

Racists are in the ascendance. English people are shrugging and looking the other way, or having a bit of 'racist fun'.

Our media and now labour politicians have been pimped.

Many businesses have left and fascists are attacking shops, women and politicians.

We've got starving in a war zone to look forward to though.

Silver linings.

It is 100% better than the same old crap for ever and ever

Idiotic.

the UK's insistence on seeing the EU primarily as an economic project instead of a political one

Well, if the EU had remained as a primarily economic project then we wouldn’t be in the mess that we’re in now.

Jumping out the window is 100% better than being in a messy room. Until you hit the ground.

As said, we know already no deal isn't a choice, so it's her deal v stay/delay, and her deal will win.

I don’t know why people keep saying this. No deal is what WILL happen if there’s no majority on WA before 29 March and TM doesn’t revoke.

Article 50 can be revoked. If May chooses to run the clock down to No Deal, all that follows will be entirely her doing.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/one-three-uk-firms-activate-plans-move-operations-abroad-no-deal-brexit-iod-survey

Is this likely to make your lives better, Leavers?

Well, if the EU had remained as a primarily economic project then we wouldn’t be in the mess that we’re in now.

There was always a wider vision than this, this is just the narrow way the UK has always chosen to see it. Underlying the early moves towards building the then EEC was the intention to stop the destructive European wars. Admittedly, it worked better as a smaller grouping IMO when Europe was divided into blocs of E and W. But who pressed for the E European states to accede once Communism collapsed? Probably before they were ready? Why none other than the UK (encouraged by the USA). Who didn't bother to take the option of restricting the numbers of E Europeans coming here, and vastly underestimating the numbers? Yes, right again, the UK. All of which has been said before. The mess is largely of our own politicians woeful misunderstanding of the EU, and what appears to be a willful lack of interest in understanding.

I personally can't see TM revoking unless she sees some advantage to the Tory party - in the same way that with her 2017 election she thought she could stick it to the Labour party and destroy them.

No deal is what WILL happen if there’s no majority on WA before 29 March and TM doesn’t revoke

It's already been explained on the thread.but technically if they don't agree her deal, and they don't agree to delay or revoke, then of course no deal is what would happen. But approx 95 percent of MPs have already stated they will not permit it. So this logically means it's either her deal, delay or revoke,

Can the MPs stop it? I can see us falling into some sort of limbo, where we have crashed out, but haven't got the laws in place to deal with not being EU members, so some sort of free for all ensues.

I just shake my head at you lot.
The EU have stated if there is a deal come March, that is what will happen........ Otherwise........ There is NO other option but a NO DEAL....

This is nothing to do with what gets voted on in Parliament... It is What Will Happen.

Mummy 2017, in the 1980's The Tories convinced many in the poorest areas that they had the answers and that by voting for them things would change. It did many of those who voted Tory for the first time lost their homes and jobs. They wanted things to change as they had nothing they soon discovered they had a lot to lose.
Brexit is the same thing.